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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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Martini1991 said:
The difference being AMD are a bit irrelevant at the moment for many, they need to show that they're not.
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Yeah and they will once the product is out if it is any good.

They already showed us demo's back in January so you get an idea from that. If their driver team managed to eke out good amount of performance in 5-6 months, then expect minimum 1080 performance. Question is how will they price it and you know they would not let that slip until launch is imminent.

IMO they are better of under promising and over delivering then potentially caught doing the opposite. "Overclockers dream" comes to mind. They need to be careful.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
They perfectly lived up to that though. Overclockers still dream about it, and how they might overclock the card.
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Haha :)

Loadsamoney still dreaming to this day! He has had all sorts of dreams too. Dream of pre-ordering a 1080Ti, dream of pre-ordering a Titan Xp...

In the end he is going to wake up and find he has ordered two Vega's to stick them in crossfire... :p;):D
 
labbby said:
So do you guys think the rumour about volta being brought forward is a good sign for vega ? as in nvidia want to cover top spot. Or do we think nvidia are just doing it show that they can ?
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Volta hasn't been brought forwards, and secondly it is basically impossible to significantly change the timeline of a GPU product . So no, it provides no information what so ever.

Nvidia has publicly announced Volta for autonomous cars in Q3 this year. They have also announced semi-officially Volta shipping for summit-ridge super computer and other HPC applications Q4 or early next year. They have never said anything about GPUs o it is impossible to say if the date has changed but considering. That other Volta produced are going to be around at the end of year it woudln;t be surprising if Volta gaming GPUs make an appearance.

Lets pretend that NVidia did get intelligence on vega being some massively performing monster that would destroy Pascal. There is nothing Nvidia could do to significantly bring Volta out earlier. Of Volta hadn't taped out yet, or required a new 12nm process form TSMC that isn't ready yet, or GDDR6 that isn't shipping yet, etc. then there is nothing they can do with Volta.What they could do is launch a new stepping of Pascal with some tweaks, get clocks pushed to the max disregarding power and OC headroom, and put a load of resources into optimizing drivers. Then it would be down to the marketing team to try and drive sales and deflect attention form AMD. That hasn't happened, they just quietly pushed some models with faster memory withotu any kind of fanfare. They could have easily released these new version with a 5% core boost at the least if they were really worried about vega.
 
MichaelM said:
So everything seen so far has been "Radeon RX Vega". Not Vega Nano, Vega or Vega X.
Vega 10 is supposed to be a mostly known spec with Vega 11 as TBA from "leaks", but there would need to be some way to differentiate these models at least but no hint has surfaced.

AMD is controlling this too well, or it really will be a single card with no variation and 11 is not due anytime soon.
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It is odd that Vega 11 is basically now AWOL. My suspicion is vega 11 would overlap with Polaris too much, or there is some kind of issue with HBM2 memory shortages. My opinion is Vega 10 in the fully enabled chip will perform between 1080 and 1080ti (closer to the latter), and the cut-down chip between 1070 and 1080. Vega 11 then doesn't fit in very well, it covers 1050 and 1060 type cards which the Polaris 20 is doing. Since Polaris 20 seems like a completely irrelevant change to Polaris 10 is seems like AMD had to delay Vega11 and whipped ut a minor update to Polaris at the last minute. AMD really would benefit form a top to bottom Vega line-up so the low end can take advantage of all the efficiency improvements, new connectivity and new technology.

The other option is Vega 11 is a relaly big 550-600mmchip that totally smashes the 1080ti, but due to the size wont be ready yield wise for another 6 months. that could eb the real chip to go against volta
 
D.P. said:
It is odd that Vega 11 is basically now AWOL. My suspicion is vega 11 would overlap with Polaris too much, or there is some kind of issue with HBM2 memory shortages. My opinion is Vega 10 in the fully enabled chip will perform between 1080 and 1080ti (closer to the latter), and the cut-down chip between 1070 and 1080. Vega 11 then doesn't fit in very well, it covers 1050 and 1060 type cards which the Polaris 20 is doing. Since Polaris 20 seems like a completely irrelevant change to Polaris 10 is seems like AMD had to delay Vega11 and whipped ut a minor update to Polaris at the last minute. AMD really would benefit form a top to bottom Vega line-up so the low end can take advantage of all the efficiency improvements, new connectivity and new technology.

The other option is Vega 11 is a relaly big 550-600mmchip that totally smashes the 1080ti, but due to the size wont be ready yield wise for another 6 months. that could eb the real chip to go against volta
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This screen suggest's Vega 11 is taking over from Polaris so i expect if it does arrive then it's a 1070 competitor as i don't see it being worse than a 580.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/AMD-VEGA-10-VEGA20-VEGA-11-NAVI-roadmap.jpg
 
TheRealDeal said:
This screen suggest's Vega 11 is taking over from Polaris so i expect if it does arrive then it's a 1070 competitor as i don't see it being worse than a 580.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/AMD-VEGA-10-VEGA20-VEGA-11-NAVI-roadmap.jpg
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It might be better technology but a smaller chip with less cores it will offer similar performance with less power and newer features. The full chip might be 1070 and the cutdown RX580/1060 performance, hence it overlaps too much. And that would still leave a lot of the market on older less efficient Polaris technology.

we will see in the next months how Vega lines up
 
D.P. said:
It might be better technology but a smaller chip with less cores it will offer similar performance with less power and newer features. The full chip might be 1070 and the cutdown RX580/1060 performance, hence it overlaps too much. And that would still leave a lot of the market on older less efficient Polaris technology.

we will see in the next months how Vega lines up
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I'm of the mind that AMD refreshed Polaris as they expected to replace it quicker than they are doing, so yes maybe their's a HBM2 shortage or Interposer problem again (in order to hit decent volume?).
 
D.P. said:
It is odd that Vega 11 is basically now AWOL. My suspicion is vega 11 would overlap with Polaris too much, or there is some kind of issue with HBM2 memory shortages. My opinion is Vega 10 in the fully enabled chip will perform between 1080 and 1080ti (closer to the latter), and the cut-down chip between 1070 and 1080. Vega 11 then doesn't fit in very well, it covers 1050 and 1060 type cards which the Polaris 20 is doing. Since Polaris 20 seems like a completely irrelevant change to Polaris 10 is seems like AMD had to delay Vega11 and whipped ut a minor update to Polaris at the last minute. AMD really would benefit form a top to bottom Vega line-up so the low end can take advantage of all the efficiency improvements, new connectivity and new technology.

The other option is Vega 11 is a relaly big 550-600mmchip that totally smashes the 1080ti, but due to the size wont be ready yield wise for another 6 months. that could eb the real chip to go against volta
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Well we know that like 7 or 8 variants showed up about a week ago, that is too much for one chip.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Performance out of the box is the most important thing. If it's clocked near the high end the majority won't give a damn. On here overclocking is something people want but for me the faster it is out of the box the better.

It's not like Pascal has much overclocking headroom either. Nothing like as much as Maxwell had.
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I think they need to showcase both performance and efficiency together on the launch of Vega. If they cannot do it with 1 model then they should do it with 2 - but at the same time. Otherwise the masses will draw incorrect conclusions from a model configured toward one end of the frequency-power curve.
 
Yeah should be a fanatsdic card for strreaming games, and rendering films, was blown away
TNA said:
Haha :)

Loadsamoney still dreaming to this day! He has had all sorts of dreams too. Dream of pre-ordering a 1080Ti, dream of pre-ordering a Titan Xp...

In the end he is going to wake up and find he has ordered two Vega's to stick them in crossfire... :p;):D
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Dre eee eee eee eam, dream dream dream.............. :p
 
JediFragger said:
I'm of the mind that AMD refreshed Polaris as they expected to replace it quicker than they are doing, so yes maybe their's a HBM2 shortage or Interposer problem again (in order to hit decent volume?).
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Therer is still this rumour:
https://videocardz.com/65649/sk-hynix-updates-memory-product-catalog-hbm2-available-in-q1-2017
The provider of HBM2 memory for AMD is officially saying only slower 1.6Gbps stacks are available, which would leave Vega with less bandwidth than the 1080ti, with availability forecast for Q1 this year but wasn't available when they produced their catalogue.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/248267-sk-hynix-will-launch-gddr6-2018-hbm2

IF Vega can only launch with the slower HBM2 it would have 410Gbps bw, 1080ti is already at 480Gbps, if AMD can get the faster HM2 then they still only get 512Gb with 2 stacks. GDDR6 is available early next year giving 768Gbps for big gaming Volta.

AMD may have screwed themselves again waiting for HBM technology to catch up.
 
Armadillo said:
Devs have also said target for quake champions is 120Hz. So might not look as good as other games, but being designed for 120fps not 60.
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They really want this game to have a competitive scene then, which is good.

People dont typically care about graphics when they're actually playing a competitive twitch shooter. All focus is on the competitive aspect.
 
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