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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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LoadsaMoney said:
AMD Taking The Covers Off Vega, Navi & Zen+ On May 16th

http://wccftech.com/amd-taking-the-covers-off-vega-navi-may-16th/
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"It's the sucessor to Polaris"

Wut? No it's not. It's like saying when there was the 370, 380 and 390 and x variants the 3 Fury SKU replaced those.

Vega is targeting high end and enthusiast and competing with nvidia's high end gpus such as the 1080ti and Titan(pascal) and then the 1070 and 1080 cards. Polaris never did target high end just low - mid range so how does Vega come and replace them? lol.
 
DragonQ said:
AMD talking about Zen+ this early? No way there's gonna be actual performance or price information, just standard marketing stuff.
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Probably expand on the "easy" IPC and other improvements they know they can make.

They mentioned in their Last AMA that they've already identified areas in the design that should allow them to get decent boosts.

I expect it to appear next year, and slot into current AM4 boards with just a BIOS update.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Probably expand on the "easy" IPC and other improvements they know they can make.

They mentioned in their Last AMA that they've already identified areas in the design that should allow them to get decent boosts.
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Hmm. I was expecting a small IPC boost (maybe 5% like Skylake or Broadwell) and a clock speed bump thanks to an improved process. If they manage both it'd be a nice upgrade but if they can get even more IPC uplift I'd be very impressed, especially since it'd put them ahead of Intel (who haven't had a >5% uplift since Haswell and won't have one until at least Icelake).

N19h7m4r3 said:
I expect it to appear next year, and slot into current AM4 boards with just a BIOS update.
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Yeah that's pretty much a given.
 
AllBodies said:
Zen+ is the next iteration of the architecture.

Like Sandy bridge -> ivy bridge -> haswell

Same as Zen -> Zen+ -> Zen++
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hmm thanks, i thought AMD were going down the route of zen -> zen2 -> zen3 naming for that and zen+ and zen2+ (the plus sign suggesting plus a gpu). That's me just going of what i read about gray hawk last year.
 
DragonQ said:
Hmm. I was expecting a small IPC boost (maybe 5% like Skylake or Broadwell) and a clock speed bump thanks to an improved process. If they manage both it'd be a nice upgrade but if they can get even more IPC uplift I'd be very impressed, especially since it'd put them ahead of Intel (who haven't had a >5% uplift since Haswell and won't have one until at least Icelake).


Yeah that's pretty much a given.
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They'll get the improved process but there are other "bottlenecks" they can remedy. The CCX Interconnect is one of those.
Currently it runs at 1:2 RAM speed and has a max bandwidth of 22GB/s, but can apparently scale all the way up to 512GB/s for Naples and Vega Instinct implementations.
AMD's latency on cores in eachCCX is lower than Intel's per core, but latency when jumping between each CCX is rather significant.

Previous tests when disabling one CCX shows an average of 8% improvement in gaming; so if they can sort out the bandwidth and latency; along with further IPC gains they're on the right track.
 
JediFragger said:
Tbf RTG have barely hit their stride yet, Vega is just the beginning of the rung.
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Yeah but like nasha said if they imply Navi is 'where the actions at' then that has implications not only for Vega but also for RTG going forward. After all Vega was (and i'm still confident is) the bad boy we've all been waiting for, if they backtrack on that now - well, it's a bad omen should we say.
 
Burr said:
This. That would be very annoying and i'm pretty sure it would weaken confidence in RTG to be able to produce the goods.
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JediFragger said:
Tbf RTG have barely hit their stride yet, Vega is just the beginning of the rung.
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Let's hope so,
They've done Polaris and a Polaris refresh now so please don't let there be any excuses.
It worries me because really it's an architecture that's been developed during the lean years
and we won't really see them at their best for at least a couple of years, that's presuming
that now Zen's out they can loosen the purse strings and give RTG a bit more money to play with.

Burr said:
After all Vega was (and i'm still confident is) the bad boy we've all been waiting for, if they backtrack on that now - well, it's a bad omen should we say.
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It certainly would be.
 
nashathedog said:
Let's hope so,
They've done Polaris and a Polaris refresh now so please don't let there be any excuses.
It worries me because really it's an architecture that's been developed during the lean years
and we won't really see them at their best for at least a couple of years, that's presuming
that now Zen's out they can loosen the purse strings and give RTG a bit more money to play with.
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I'm uncertain here but isn't RTG and AMD CPU division financially separate?
The Instinct cards give me hope that Vega can be a success.
 
Burr said:
Yeah but like nasha said if they imply Navi is 'where the actions at' then that has implications not only for Vega but also for RTG going forward. After all Vega was (and i'm still confident is) the bad boy we've all been waiting for, if they backtrack on that now - well, it's a bad omen should we say.
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Vega better be good, otherwise it's a long time for 290/390/480 owners to be without an upgrade path - unless they go Nvidia and I'm sure AMD don't want that.
 
there is no doubt that vega in every iteration will be better than any other gpu AMD have out as of now. so ofcourse people on any other AMD gpu will have an upgrade path. the way people talk about these sync techs it would be worth having a card with 20% less power but could use the sync tech (free and g).
 
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