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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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triss said:
I doubt we will see much reduction in prices while they have no competitor at that level. Many have already upgraded aswell as they got sick of waiting or their card died.
What gpu prices do this year will depend on how good Vega is and what price AMD set
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This basically. They will not reduce prices across the range when the cards are still selling well.

A lot depends on Vega, lets face it Nvidea are more than capable of putting prices up if Vega fails to perform.
 
JediFragger said:
Will be interesting to see if nVidia try and crush AMD with pricing, HBM2 (and Interposer etc) is NOT going to be cheap!
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I think Vega is a whole range of GPUs. I am guessing at least 4 but might be more. So the top card will probably be the only one to have HBM2. Going by their mission statement last year before the Polaris release, I think their focus is going to be on price ranges that sell the most with one halo card. And I think that Vega is next gen, not the same generation as Polaris. But the Polaris cards will fill out the lower end of the Vega line up.

Here's what I hope that AMD comes out with. (dollar prices)

Vega 1 - Halo product. Faster than the 1080ti priced $549-$599
Vega 2 - around the 1080ti performance - $450 - $499
Vega 3 - faster than 1080 - $350 - $399
Vega 4 - Faster than 1070 - $299

Why am I thinking like this? Because if Vega is a next gen product, then it has to bring the price/performance levels down at least one Tier. For example bring 1070 performance at 1060 prices. I am guessing at $599 for the halo product because they have already worked with HBM with then Fury cards. Mind you there could be two versions of the Halo card, one with AIO cooling and one without.

Maybe wishful thinking on my part. But, no matter how many cards AMD have lined up with Vega, it will be a fail if they don't bring the price/performance down at least one level for the price brackets they target.
 
Journey said:
I didn't suggest that AMD dropped prices, in fact they very rarely drop prices, they tend to introduce a product at a price and stick to it. It is only Nvidia that drop prices to line up with AMD/ATI, never the other way around afaik.
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I think you are wrong with this, Nvidia are the ones that never drop their prices. Can you name out at time when Nvidia dropped prices because of an AMD release? They dropped the price of the 780 because they were releasing the 780ti. They only dropped the price of one card when AMD released the 4xxx series cards.

Yet AMD dropped the price of the 7970/7950 when Nvidia released the 680 cards, they dropped the price of 290/x cards, the 390/x cards, the 380/x cards. And not at the end of their life either. There was no need to drop the price of the Fury X because there was so few produced.
 
AMD Radeon RX Vega: less than 20,000 available at launch

AMD will be releasing its next-gen Radeon RX Vega family of graphics cards in the next few weeks, and now I've had an exclusive industry source who has told me that AMD will have only a handful of Radeon RX Vega graphics cards at launch.

I've been told that there will be less than 16,000 cards that will ship in the first few months after it launches, something that will come down to the HBM2 used on the card. HBM2 is in extremely limited supply, and is expensive to use - and since there's not enough, that scarcity is driving up the production costs of the card - and will see AMD only having 16,000 cards or so in the months post-launch.

If this is true, AMD could be in a very rough spot with Radeon RX Vega - especially if it was to deliver on performance. There are hundreds of thousands of thirsty Radeon fans that want a next-gen graphics card, and the hype train for Radeon RX Vega is simultaneously withering out - and burning hotter than the sun. Personally, I want AMD to hit a home run with Radeon RX Vega - but at the same time, NVIDIA has completely secured the high-end market with the GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti.
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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57418/amd-radeon-rx-vega-less-20-000-available-launch/index.html
 
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spoffle said:
GTX is a prefix now, not a suffix! There's no such thing as a 1080GTX!
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Well done you win a pedantry award!

ljt said:
I have a freesync monitor so Nvidia cards are not much interest to me.

So if I can get GTX 1080 performance from AMD for £100 cheaper then that's great.

You have to remember whenever I go for an upgrade I always look for the cheapest way of getting that upgrade.

I.e. my objective this upgrade was to get a 6 core cpu, 1440 res ultrawide ips monitor with a variable refresh rate and a gpu to power it in games at reasonable settings for as cheap as possible.

So in the end I went with an AMD R5 6 core CPU as Intel's 6 core was too expensive

I went with an lg 34 uw freesync monitor because the nearest gsync was too expensive

And now looking to Vega to power it

If it means having some patience and waiting then so be it.
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Well I suppose AMD can always rely on selling a few VEGA GPU's to freesync owners struggling by on their mid range/ getting decidedly dated 290's, 390's, Fury's, 480's etc but that's a pretty small part of an already select market.

AMD and their customers/ fans just need to decide what their doing. Its fine to be a budget brand selling inferior products cheaper than the completion but if (and its a big 'if' as we don't yet know performance figures) top end Vega is a GTX 1080 (put it the right way around this time!) comparable product for circa £400 colour me rather unimpressed as AMD's big entry for a 'top end' product in May 2017.
 
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melmac said:
I think you are wrong with this, Nvidia are the ones that never drop their prices. Can you name out at time when Nvidia dropped prices because of an AMD release? They dropped the price of the 780 because they were releasing the 780ti. They only dropped the price of one card when AMD released the 4xxx series cards.

Yet AMD dropped the price of the 7970/7950 when Nvidia released the 680 cards, they dropped the price of 290/x cards, the 390/x cards, the 380/x cards. And not at the end of their life either. There was no need to drop the price of the Fury X because there was so few produced.
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If you recall launced the 78** range around three months earlier that anyone expected, and AMD priced the 7850 and 7870 so as to exclude Nvidia from competing taking the GTX 570 and GTX 580 out of the picture, then Nvidia launched the GTX 680 at $499, below that of the 7870, to take back the price/performance crown, AMD reduced prices, and then also launched the GHz edition.

The biggest destruction to Nvidia's attempt to increase GPU pricing was the launch of the AMD/ATI 48** series of cards making Nvidia cut prices massively after a couple of weeks of being on sale. The GTX 280 was originally $649, and they reduced that to $499, while the 260 was priced $299, down from $399.

Nvidia have been the main focus of trying to increase GPU prices for well over a decade starting with the stupid idea that was the 8800 GTX Ultra, which everyone knew was an overclocked 880o GTX for $830! Needless to say it was a flop. :)
 
melmac said:
I think Vega is a whole range of GPUs. I am guessing at least 4 but might be more. So the top card will probably be the only one to have HBM2. Going by their mission statement last year before the Polaris release, I think their focus is going to be on price ranges that sell the most with one halo card. And I think that Vega is next gen, not the same generation as Polaris. But the Polaris cards will fill out the lower end of the Vega line up.

Here's what I hope that AMD comes out with. (dollar prices)

Vega 1 - Halo product. Faster than the 1080ti priced $549-$599
Vega 2 - around the 1080ti performance - $450 - $499
Vega 3 - faster than 1080 - $350 - $399
Vega 4 - Faster than 1070 - $299

Why am I thinking like this? Because if Vega is a next gen product, then it has to bring the price/performance levels down at least one Tier. For example bring 1070 performance at 1060 prices. I am guessing at $599 for the halo product because they have already worked with HBM with then Fury cards. Mind you there could be two versions of the Halo card, one with AIO cooling and one without.

Maybe wishful thinking on my part. But, no matter how many cards AMD have lined up with Vega, it will be a fail if they don't bring the price/performance down at least one level for the price brackets they target.
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You could be right. I seem to recall that Raja or someone mentioned H2 for big Vega, so might well be the 1080 competitor being released now and then the TXPp/1080Ti in the second part of the year.
 
Journey said:
If you recall launced the 78** range around three months earlier that anyone expected, and AMD priced the 7850 and 7870 so as to exclude Nvidia from competing taking the GTX 570 and GTX 580 out of the picture, then Nvidia launched the GTX 680 at $499, below that of the 7870, to take back the price/performance crown, AMD reduced prices, and then also launched the GHz edition.
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AMD launched the 78xx series in March and Nvidia's 680/670 were launched in the same month. So Nvidia took the 580 and 570 out of the picture themselves. AMD launched the 79xx series in January of that year and had to reduce their prices when the 680/670 launched.

Journey said:
The biggest destruction to Nvidia's attempt to increase GPU pricing was the launch of the AMD/ATI 48** series of cards making Nvidia cut prices massively after a couple of weeks of being on sale. The GTX 280 was originally $649, and they reduced that to $499, while the 260 was priced $299, down from $399
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Ah, Yes, I thought it was just one card that Nvidia reduced the price of. I forgot about the 280. It still remains as one of the few times that Nvidia have reduced their prices because of something AMD released and not something that they were releasing themselves.

But still, none of these things change your statement that AMD never reduce prices only Nvidia do. In fact they show that AMD reduce prices more often that Nvidia. Or are you strictly talking about overall GPU pricing?
 
Gregster said:
You could be right. I seem to recall that Raja or someone mentioned H2 for big Vega, so might well be the 1080 competitor being released now and then the TXPp/1080Ti in the second part of the year.
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I did leave gaps in my pricing for AIB cards. And of course my prices don't forecast what price we will end up paying in the UK and Ireland. The 1070 and 1080 might still end up been better value purchases over here even if I am right.

But, more than likely, I am completely wrong :)
 
nashathedog said:
Things have changed over the last few years so I'm not entirely sure how it works and finding out is based on reading supposition so who knows?
Before RTG was formed I was under the impression AMD controlled who got what and poured more resources into the CPU side of things
limiting what was available for the gpu tech's which in turn hurt what they could accomplish. I'm not sure how old RTG is now.
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RTG is a good couple years old. I know they have separate financial reports but i can't find any info as to whether they are financially 'isolated'. I'd guess they're not. Perhaps if Ryzen fly's then more $$$'s for RTG is indeed possible.
 
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