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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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And I don;t why people are tlaking abut the 1080ti onyl being faster faster. It it is 30% or even less when there is a PCU bottle neck at lo resoltuions.

If you are playing at 4K a decent 180ti is 45% faster than a 1080:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_Amp_Extreme/31.html
100/69 = 45% faster.


30% itself can also be quite important. A lot of games might run 4K at 50FPS, a 30% boost is 65% which will play much smoother.
 
D.P. said:
And I don;t why people are tlaking abut the 1080ti onyl being faster faster. It it is 30% or even less when there is a PCU bottle neck at lo resoltuions.

If you are playing at 4K a decent 180ti is 45% faster than a 1080:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_Amp_Extreme/31.html
100/69 = 45% faster.


30% itself can also be quite important. A lot of games might run 4K at 50FPS, a 30% boost is 65% which will play much smoother.
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Yes and I did say it is all relative. 30% is nice, hell anything extra is nice, but depends on price you have to pay for it! Also more fps you have in the first place, the bigger the jump in fps.
 
Defiant306 said:
That's relative to the number of posts per page you have set in your account login settings.

Also I think VEGA's whole build up to launch and strategy has been an utter mess and if they do launch with that amount of stock... well they will be worse than Nvidia with the 1000 series 'soft' launch.
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In what way? Genuinely curious. They have been pretty quiet, mostly talking about a few key features and some development stuff, with a clear deadline.

For a June release would an extended 2-3 month 'PR ramp up to launch' really be wanted?
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yep, its looking like a while yet.
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Lucky for me I got a 1080 to keep me happy until it arrives.

Been actually looking for a Radeon 8gb graphics card in the wanted section to try out freesync, but no replies. People just list them in members market and I end up missing out as they get snapped up for £90-£100 :(
 
shankly1985 said:
Am thinking a release next month tbh
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Except AMD explicitly stated that the FE card wont be released until June and the gaming card will be after that.

The other fact is h Hynix is still not selling HBm2 in volume yet, just forecast to at some point this quarter. Once there is volume of HBM2 chips they still need to be shipped to the assembly plant with the vega dies mounted to the interposer and then the interpsoer package shipped on again to the AIS to mount on the cards, plus all packaging etc. This is just another mall inconvenience of HBM with an extra step or 2 in the production process. With GDDDR the IHV would be sending in their orders and mounting memory before they even get the GPU dies.
 
D.P. said:
Except AMD explicitly stated that the FE card wont be released until June and the gaming card will be after that.

The other fact is h Hynix is still not selling HBm2 in volume yet, just forecast to at some point this quarter. Once there is volume of HBM2 chips they still need to be shipped to the assembly plant with the vega dies mounted to the interposer and then the interpsoer package shipped on again to the AIS to mount on the cards, plus all packaging etc. This is just another mall inconvenience of HBM with an extra step or 2 in the production process. With GDDDR the IHV would be sending in their orders and mounting memory before they even get the GPU dies.
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Yeah, and that was late June.
 
D.P. said:
What I said yesterday. With HBm2 as rare as hens teeth AMD will sell workstations cards at 1-2K each.


I'm thinking a late august/early September release for a gaming part with availability a good month later.
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This article is just a theorycraft about the things they said on the event.
I stiill think it's much more plausible that with the wait he pointed to the separate launch on Computex or E3. Especially that they never launched cards at the Financial Day before.
The Frontier ones wasn't a real launch either he just said it will be available end of Jun. No date.
So the real launch(es) will happen soon, because this event was not about launch.
 
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AMD are late with the release of VEGA...period.

I have absolutely no doubt that months from now, when we get an honest interview with someone at AMD they will admit this. Sure we can all quote AMD as saying Q2 2017, but lets be honest they haven't even made that with a gaming part. Frontier will be a few cards built with every available chip of HBM2 they can scrounge together.

I'm sure that VEGA was intended as a Q4 2016 product to compete with 1080. They wanted to make as powerful a part as they could with, compared to Nvidia, very tight resources. This lead to cuts, and the one that has clearly bitten them, is being tied to HBM2.

Once we see a plentiful supply of HBM2, we'll see VEGA RX. Hopefully by then RX will have a more efficient stepping of VEGA. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a cut down version of Frontier, before RX, just to sell off the current VEGA chips. 8GB Frontier anyone?
 
Erik13 said:
This is sec time though. There is an old saying : fool me once ...
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Their site still lists and shows HBM1 can be stacked to 8GB per module.
They were never able to produce anything but 2GB modules at most, and the only consumer versions were 1GB on fury cards that cost a bomb to be a proof of concept.

Such a let down, especially when you consider HBM2 4GB 2.0Gbps was originally scheduled for Q3 2016.

That was when Vega looked around 10% faster than stock GTX 1080.

Everyone would have been happy if Vega launched before Xmas at that speed with 8GB HBM2.

Now we're close to Q3 2017, and SK Hynix shows much slower HBM2 4GB for Q2 2017 manufacturing, and Vega is still MIA.
And to top it off NVIDIA launched the 1080ti and Titan Xp, so now Vega needs to get close to them to be considered half way decent :/
 
D.P. said:
Except AMD explicitly stated that the FE card wont be released until June and the gaming card will be after that.

The other fact is h Hynix is still not selling HBm2 in volume yet, just forecast to at some point this quarter. Once there is volume of HBM2 chips they still need to be shipped to the assembly plant with the vega dies mounted to the interposer and then the interpsoer package shipped on again to the AIS to mount on the cards, plus all packaging etc. This is just another mall inconvenience of HBM with an extra step or 2 in the production process. With GDDDR the IHV would be sending in their orders and mounting memory before they even get the GPU dies.
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No they did not stated that gaming cards will be after Frontier. Actually he did not even said that on the event.
The quote is from Raja's writing here: http://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/
He talks about Frontier and June availability in the first 3 paragraph, and mentions the gaming cards, and that we need to wait for them a little in the second to last one.

So it's quite a big stretch to say "Frontier in June........gaming cards after that"
 
Can we at least wait until Computex and the launch before going all out "bohooo they are late dodn't make it Q2" because if they make it a lot of people here will look like fools.
 
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