We know the cards aren't being launched at the event so why even bother? We'll only get to see those crappy cherry-picked benchmarks that won't tell us anything and have to wait a full month or so before the actual launch (and maybe even longer for availability). If they cannot launch the product at the event they should just reschedule and hold one once they get their **** together.
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Oh, did AMD put out a statement saying Radeon Vega is not going to be mentioned there?
He was talking about the price and it would make sense if you could buy the frontier edition already (which you can't), so the only thing that would make sense is that if the gaming cards are coming at a later date. We'll probably get more info during the computex event, but I'm sure we won't be seeing gaming-Vegas in June.
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We know? Really? I didn't know
I don't doubt for a second that Vega is going to be there, and featured quite prominantly - the problem is that it won't be an official launch with actual reviews ready.
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Because the Frontier cards still not launched either...no date, no price, they just mentioned them available in Jun. The launch probably was always targeted at Computex or E3 as always, they never launched anything at Financial Day.
So let's wait until the launch, and cry if they didn't launch.
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Why would he tell you to wait a bit longer after Frontier in late June, for the cheaper gaming Vega card, if the cheaper Vega gaming card, is going to be launched before it, it makes no sense 
Think people are hoping he meant "Wait for the announcement", but I'm with you on this one - there's no way we'll see these cards in June.Why would he tell you to wait a bit longer after Frontier in late June, for the cheaper gaming Vega card, if the cheaper Vega gaming card, is going to be launched before it, it makes no sense
He didn't really phrase it like that. It's somewhat vague. His comment could be related to waiting for the announcement, if you're watching the conference thinking it might be gaming related.Why would he tell you to wait a bit longer after Frontier in late June, for the cheaper gaming Vega card (instead of just getting a Frontier to game on), if the cheaper Vega gaming card, is going to be launched before it, it makes no sense
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Why would he tell you to wait a bit longer after Frontier in late June, for the cheaper gaming Vega card (instead of just getting a Frontier to game on), if the cheaper Vega gaming card, is going to be launched before it, it makes no sense
Did you even read what you linked? He didn't said that.
They never said "wait for gaming cards after Frontier in late June"
The two sentence is so far from each other that its a big stretch to see any context between them. The launch is still ahead of us, so he most likely said wait a bit longer because of that.
From http://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/
"Today we’re announcing the first of several Vega architecture-based products to roll out this summer, and soon we’ll be launching Radeon Instinct, Radeon Pro, and Radeon RX flavors of Vega"
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"The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition graphics card is going to empower the pioneers creating the next generation of gaming experiences, but it does beg one question: Can you game on a Radeon Vega Frontier Edition? The answer is yes, absolutely. But because this graphics card is optimized for professional use cases (and priced accordingly), if gaming is your primary reason for buying a GPU, I’d suggest waiting just a little while longer for the lower-priced, gaming-optimized Radeon RX Vega graphics card. You’ll be glad you did.
None of that makes any sense unless the Vega RX is going to available after the Frontier Edition. We know they are rolling out during the summer, but exactly when that is is still up in the air.
That could easily be interpreted as "wait a little longer for our announcement at the end of the month so you can look at buying a Vega consumer card, not the Frontier professional card". He had to let people know that Frontier was not it, this was not a consumer/gaming announcement.
You're making a big assumption about when Frontier and consumer cards will be available, when they will be announced//launched/shipped. with no information. Do you really think at this point they are going to stretch Frontier to the end of summer, and then make the consumer card be after that, maybe September? The only reason Raja made that statement is because of the internet losing it's minds because only Frontier was mentioned at the investors conference, and he needed to tell people consumer cards were coming at Computex. We've even had people claiming that because only Frontier was announced, somehow that means no consumer cards until the end of the year, they have shortages, they can't get HBM2, they will miss their H2 2017 deadline, etc. Total nonsense from people who can't read the information that's out there, or have some sort of axe to grind.
AMD have done hard launches before with availability within a week of launch, so don't be surprised if it happens again.
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Reckon announcement of price+product range on the 31st May with launch early June, if it isn't I'll eat my hat (if I had one).
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Regarding what Raja implied, it does point to "after Frontier, Vega will launch" but things might get lost in translation and indeed come the 31st at Computex, they will launch Vega but I am with the many other people and feel it will be a show of the card/s and a "watch this space for further announcements".
Caporegime
Its simple to me, if the Frontier Edition isn't a paper launch, so you can actually get your hands on a one late June, then he would not tell you not to, if you just want it for gaming, as there is going to be a cheaper one, that is for gaming, coming after it.
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The wording is as put, open to interpretation - they couldn't announce the RX Vega gaming cards at the FAD, but they chose to showcase the Vega FE to show what tho expect from AMD, and that they could once again compete, and as Raja put "just be on the chart" and that is what investors want to see, not just a proof of concept or wording. AMD obviously ensured that he mentioned the RX Vega gaming cards coming very soon, after this one. Now they could have meant in a literal sense, e.g. physical cards in peoples hands, or they could mean it will have it's official announcement and release to the press/world very soon after the FE.
Why can't they announce it at Computex and ship it June along side the FE? Which falls in line with what was said, also. Is there a rule, that stops them shipping both cards in the same month? No, people just love to speculate and add their own interpretation, which is pretty much why this thread is so damn big anyhow.
I'll be watching at 02:00 (UK time I think) on the 31st May to see what is going on, and until then it's a complete unknown, but another 3000 posts will be made by then
Why can't they announce it at Computex and ship it June along side the FE? Which falls in line with what was said, also. Is there a rule, that stops them shipping both cards in the same month? No, people just love to speculate and add their own interpretation, which is pretty much why this thread is so damn big anyhow.
I'll be watching at 02:00 (UK time I think) on the 31st May to see what is going on, and until then it's a complete unknown, but another 3000 posts will be made by then
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They probably will announce when its coming out at Computex, but it won't be June, as hes already confirmed its not. 
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DDR is a very different PHY IP to HBM. For starters one is serial and the other parallel, with very different operating frequencies. I also gather HBM doesn't really have proper IO buffering, i.e. the PHY doesn't really exist and the GPU's internal signals are more-or-less used directly with the HBM stacks. Pretty neat way to do it, saves a lot of power and hefty IO FETs/protections.
So it seems very non-trivial, where you would likely need two separate memory PHY's/abstraction layers (HBM being very lightweight), which then connect to the HBCC. You also have the extra metric ****-ton of high speed differential IO's, adding a huge amount to your pin count.
Definitely a different die is required.
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