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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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D.P. said:
Doesn't matter what AMD says. AMD can work to whatever schedule they want but the market doesn't sit around waiting and the shareholders aren't happy loosing sales.
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Do you understand how development cycles work? Assuming there have been no delays during development, Vega's release date would have been determined 3-4 years ago. You don't just change your release date at a whim. especially (from the sounds of it) if it is a massive redesign.
 
I hope the RX Vega version is one of these. Looks fantastic.
https://videocardz.com/69636/just-some-concepts#disqus_thread

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Chuk_Chuk said:
Do you understand how development cycles work? Assuming there have been no delays during development, Vega's release date would have been determined 3-4 years ago. You don't just change your release date at a whim. especially (from the sounds of it) if it is a massive redesign.
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Of course I do. You do realize Fiji was released 2 years ago, do you think AMD really wanted to wait that long between release cycles on purpose?
 
TNA said:
I like this one. But with no fan. Watercooled :D

Hopefully the watercooled one will be similar size as Fury X as they seem longer.
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Aye, the Frontier Edition with AIO looks nearly 50% longer than the Fury X was. Although I honestly think the tubes are at the wrong end.

None rubbish "gold" coloured.

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N19h7m4r3 said:
Aye, the Frontier Edition with AIO looks nearly 50% longer than the Fury X was. Although I honestly think the tubes are at the wrong end.

None rubbish "gold" coloured.

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It is possible still that the gaming ones could be smaller. Will have to wait and see. If not, I wonder what the extra space is used on?
 
TNA said:
It is possible still that the gaming ones could be smaller. Will have to wait and see. If not, I wonder what the extra space is used on?
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AllBodies said:
Yeah it is weird the boards are so long.

Hopefully some reviewers get hold of frontier editions (I mean, they'd be mad not to), and do a tear-down as well.
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My original tinfoil hat was that it was so big because it was 8GB HBM2 + 8GB GDDR5, but Raja stated it's 16GB HBM2.

So it's really odd how big the water cooled version it. Maybe it's got a full cover waterblocked down on there with extra heatsinks to ensure it's a real "overclockers dream" :p
 
D.P. said:
There is no confirmation but what Hynix says in their product catalogs is pretty telling. It would be one thing if Hynix never publicly mentioned HBM2 modules and speed, then one could think that maybe they have some secret deal to supply AMD blah b;ah blah, but the fact is they publicly released a catalogue saying HBM2 2.0Gbp would be available in Q3 2016, and then ever quarter since then they have delayed and delay HBM2 and dropped the 2.0Gbps down to 1.6. If AMD really had some contract to use ever single HM2 chip produced then hynix would have never publicly advertised the chips for sale. So the fact that there is not currently volume HBM2 at 2.0Gbps from Hynix is pretty much fact.

Maybe AMD will try and use Samsung although Samsung is committed to giving Nvidia a lot of volume they might have some spare capacity.



Alternatively, if we assume HBM2 is plentiful then why is Vega delayed so much? Its not the fab process, AMD having been using GF's 14nmFF+ for a long time now, it is very mature so doesn't have the teething problems of a brand new node shrink. There is absolutely zero business reason to delay, and its not like vega replaces Polaris so they have to clear the supply chain (they did the opiste and released the RX580). So if its no HBM2 supply issues the oly possible explanations is a serious deign flaw requiring a new revision and testing of engineer samples. Burt then AMD have announced availability of their workstation version so there can't be a serious design flaw. The workstation model can be sold at significant profits and will be low volume so makes sense if HBM2 is rare and expensive.

Really, there is no other explanation. HBM2 is late.
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Makes sense and good post.
 
D.P. said:
Of course I do. You do realize Fiji was released 2 years ago, do you think AMD really wanted to wait that long between release cycles on purpose?
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There are many assumptions that can be made, I think the most accurate assumption is that Vega development is linked to Raja's join date. Either that when he joined they started developing Vega (and whatever was supposed to come after fiji was cancelled), or they where working on it prior to his joining and when he joined saw the design and decided it wasn't good enough and started again. Either way, you can't just compress a development cycle, regardless of what the top bosses, shareholders or random people on forums want.
 
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