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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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The fact that AMD went with a two stack solution, indicates they must have made some decent improvements to utilising memory bandwidth more effectively over Fiji,as the core will be faster especially if the 40% to 50% increase in clockspeeds are accurate.

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Also the Vega uarch is now confirmed for use in the AMD Ryzen APUs,so that means it needs to be more effective in utilising memory bandwidth and needs to be lower power than what AMD has now. These are the two areas which limited performance on AMD IGPs,ie,the ability to maintain decentish clockspeeds in TDP limited environments and the memory bandwidth required for the IGP.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
AMD should just forget about all this new tech, and just concentrate on the here and now, like Nvidia, and also go toe to toe with them, bringing out cards around the same time, at around the same performance, or better, not cards that match performance we've already had for years, and surpassed, as thats the only way they'll get their share up, which is what they need, they need to be up with Nvidia on it, or ahead.

Once they do that, then they can concentrate on new tech, otherwise they are just ******* in the wind, just bringing out antiques, isn't going to do it.


Everytime a game comes out for our PCs (barring the odd one, here, there), its got Nvidia slapped on it, so to me, they own the market, our PC games, are done for Nvidia, as its their cards thats are in just about every PC a going, its console games that are done for AMD hardware, but thats a different market.

Unless we get AMDs share up with, and over Nvidias on our PCs, then nothing will change.
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What a silly thing to say!!

We need new tech to push the industry forward not just sit and hang on the old!! What do you want PC to turn into Consoles and the hardware to not change for 10 like years?

Pushing new tech is what makes PC gaming that much better from playing on a console!! Least Give AMD a chance to showcase the likes of HBCC and what it brings!
Honestly lately I think you have become worst than Doom for being so negative against AMD its quite funny!
 
shankly1985 said:
What a silly thing to say!!

We need new tech to push the industry forward not just sit and hang on the old!! What do you want PC to turn into Consoles and the hardware to not change for 10 like years?

Pushing new tech is what makes PC gaming that much better from playing on a console!! Least Give AMD a chance to showcase the likes of HBCC and what it brings!
Honestly lately I think you have become worst than Doom for being so negative against AMD its quite funny!
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its not silly at all, AMD need competitive cards first so they have some market share, then they can start pushing new features or their new features just sit unused - how many games used TrueAudio!!1one!
 
andybird123 said:
its not silly at all, AMD need competitive cards first so they have some market share, then they can start pushing new features or their new features just sit unused - how many games used TrueAudio!!1one!
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That'll happen once they break even I suspect. Once again Raja has stated that by 2015 AMD believed consumer graphics was dead, and it was all APU and Consoles.

The old leadership really were stupid; it took Raja a lot to convince them, and putting Dr. Su in charge helped.
You can really tell where most of their R&D went, and Vega is the first step towards getting back on track; I hope they have a decent product; but even then they do still need new tech. Otherwise stagnation is really all we'll have.

As for True audio, it's a damn shame it went no where. I miss the days of EAX for great environmental sounds. Graphics has moved on a bit; but it feels as if audio took a step back.
 
Creative killed audio on the PC :( I have mixed feelings as to its relevance on the GPU itself but someone really needs to push those systems like TrueAudio.
 
andybird123 said:
its not silly at all, AMD need competitive cards first so they have some market share, then they can start pushing new features or their new features just sit unused - how many games used TrueAudio!!1one!
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Same could be said about Nvidia PhysX when was the last game to use that given Nvidia so called Massive market?? Mmmm Batman the last game?
These tech don't quite work out like that!! TrueAudio wasn't used in games because the amount of GPUs on the market wasn't enough R9 200 series only I believe to bring it worth while.

Same with anything locked PhysX is another one its just far to demanding to run and newest games that support it at the time need the latest Gen GPU to run maxed out! The audience you targeting starts to shrink..

HBCC might be different from what I reading doesn't need work from the Devs its all done driver side by AMD and I guessing we will have driver control also..

Anyway what I saying is anything that is locked out and requires the Devs work is not the way to go and if HBCC does need support from devs then sadly it might just end up being wasted also!! So if HBCC does just work and does show nice gains that is something I want to upgrade to!! That for me is pushing PC graphics forward and not just releasing another standard GPU!
 
Rroff said:
Creative killed audio on the PC :( I have mixed feelings as to its relevance on the GPU itself but someone really needs to push those systems like TrueAudio.
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I agree, EAX was the bombdiggity and really made some games. The Thief series wouldn't be what it was without amazing audio.

What even happened to Creative..ugh

TrueAudio Next is part of GPUOpen now though; so really anyone can get their hands on it, and it uses CPU and GPU; not just GPU anymore.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The fact that AMD went with a two stack solution, indicates they must have made some decent improvements to utilising memory bandwidth more effectively over Fiji,as the core will be faster especially if the 40% to 50% increase in clockspeeds are accurate.

Edit!!

Also the Vega uarch is now confirmed for use in the AMD Ryzen APUs,so that means it needs to be more effective in utilising memory bandwidth and needs to be lower power than what AMD has now. These are the two areas which limited performance on AMD IGPs,ie,the ability to maintain decentish clockspeeds in TDP limited environments and the memory bandwidth required for the IGP.
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They surely did, look at Polaris vs Hawaii. 256bit bus vs 512bit. Sure at higher resolutions the Hawaii is stronger, but the 256bit is adequate for the Polaris.
 
chaosophy said:
To be fair though didn't Microsoft have a hand in killing all that off when they changed how sound etc worked from Vista onwards?
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That was the final nail in the coffin - Creative had done a good job before that killing off any competition while suppressing progress of their own offerings.
 
chaosophy said:
To be fair though didn't Microsoft have a hand in killing all that off when they changed how sound etc worked from Vista onwards?
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Well I remember abandoning my Creative card because they never got drivers out for the longest time; and when they did it was buggy as hell.

I wouldn't be surprised if MS did though; they were going on about dropping OpenGL support, and degrade performance for a long time as well for Vista. https://slashdot.org/story/05/08/06/177251/windows-vista-may-degrade-opengl
 
beany_bot said:
I'm not forgetting in AMDs video for Vega a poster said "Poor Volta" so clearly they are targeting Volta and not Pascal. So it really should easily beat the 1080Ti?
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AMD/RTG really need to reign the marketing team in in future.
It's likely we'll see a more refined Vega next year like we did with Polaris this year so I think AMD will be left behind again once Volta lands,
It's to be expected though, Once we get on Navi and beyond I think they'll have had time to improve funding off the back of Zen and then they'll become competitive again.
 
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