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Yes, that none of it would be use to convert into blackbox IP to benefit any one only vendor.
A very sensible caveat, i think.
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Yes, that none of it would be use to convert into blackbox IP to benefit any one only vendor.
A very sensible caveat, i think.
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Right
My point was about vendor specific features - whether AMD or nVidia there is a long history that they don't take off and take a lot of pushing and resources by the vendor to make any traction at all. PhysX is just as much an example of this.
Mantle is just another example - while it was AMD exclusive it went pretty much nowhere it was only when opened up to all that it picked up any wider adoption.
So these Vega features that sound great but increasingly its becoming apparent require specific work to function to their best don't really stand a chance on the balance of history.
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Thanks for the info Rroff
I have mixed feelings slating the Bursons as a lot of people genuinely enjoy how they sound but IMO they are over hyped because they are sometimes the first time someone experiences actual music focused audio hardware design and far from exclusive at delivering that.
The 2114 opamp is an interesting one - from an engineering perspective it does very well objectively on all the fancy graphs hence probably why it turns up in the O2 amp and is relatively inexpensive but anyone who discerningly listens to hardware using it as per your description quickly becomes disenchanted by the sound. Hence partly I suspect why they changed to Muses for the STX II.
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God yes!! Would be the first thing nVidia would do!!
Nah we all know now that they have the moral highground.
Oh an interesting snippet:
It seems Volta has a similar feature to HBCC, but intel seem to think you need an x86 license to use it. (GPU acces to system memory).
I wonder if it's true or not.
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Nah we all know now that they have the moral highground.
Most of nVidia's hierarchy would slip their Grandma's throat for a dollar
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Nah we all know now that they have the moral highground.
Oh an interesting snippet:
It seems Volta has a similar feature to HBCC, but intel seem to think you need an x86 license to use it. (GPU acces to system memory).
I wonder if it's true or not.
I'd be interested to know the guts of why Intel think this?
yeah, because they did that with OpenGL.God yes!! Would be the first thing nVidia would do!!
I think he's right, again....
I don't think its a bad thing, AMD don't have a share among the top 2%, that all belongs to nVidia so what is the point?
As long as AMD make GTX 1080 to < GTX 1080TI level cards at a more competitive price its all good as far as i'm concerned, i would much rather AMD concentrate their efforts and R&D where the 95% buy their GPU's, you can Keep your £700 1080TI's and £1000 Titan Xp's, i'm not interested.
No complaints from me AMD, just do what you do well.
This has been said numerous times but its worth repeating for those with short term memory loss.
The point of a Halo product is far more important than the high profit margins. People wonder why AMD's market share is so low, well perhaps if they ha the same marketing devices and appeared on the top of every benchmark year after year things would be different.
Then there is the fact that it doesn't actually cost that much R&D to make the bigger halo products. A 1080ti is basically just a 1080 scaled by 50%. Moreover, any design requirements to get the halo products working effectively is R&D work saved for the future. Today's Tian Pascal will be tomorrows 2080 and th next days 3060 etc. It is the same reason why car manufactures can sell ridiculously priced luxury models filled with high tech. You can prototype and develop fancy technologies like ABS/traction control, rear view camera, lane assist, air bags in the luxory model where margins are high and volumes low. Everything you learn at the very high end is a useful lessons to bring to mainstream products in the future.
The bottomline line is if AMD can make a good competitor to the 1080 in turns of performance and efficiency then they should certainly be able to scale that up be a Titan competitor. If they can't it points to some fundamental design flaw in the architecture or horrific power efficiency.
AMD Confirms 7nm Products Will Tape Out This Year – Zen 2 & Navi
http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-7nm-products-will-tape-year-zen-2-navi/
Looks like AMD are continuing the push. I read within another article that they are also working on Vega 2 (14nm) to compete with Volta.
http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-7nm-products-will-tape-year-zen-2-navi/
Looks like AMD are continuing the push. I read within another article that they are also working on Vega 2 (14nm) to compete with Volta.
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AMD did try this, it didn't workout too well for them, as a result they are no longer in a position to throwaway R&D for a "Halo Product" that they then cannot sell enough of.
AMD have had a higher return's with just lower and mid class GPU's than they have had in years, the years they had those Halo Products.
Most pepole, actually, do not look at nVidia's £1000 GPU and think "wow, what an awesome company" they actually look at that and think "wow... what a bunch of #### ######## #### money ###### garbing ###### ####!"
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See this seems contradictory. Very soon after means weeks at most. But 2 months is not soon
Maybe they just said the order in which they'll be released, July 1st for rx vega confirmed
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Qz6Mlo7wHn
When we see them copying major features we know its a good idea
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They were until both Microsoft and Nvidia were forced to support it because AMD didn't keep it to themselves to the detriment of the market and the gamers.
1. Wccftech link, so probably total fantasy.
2. Tape out can easily be six months before a product launch even if there is only one revision. There's no way we are going to see 7nm Navi six months after Vega.
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I posted this last night in the Zen thread (CPU forum), source is Lisa Su - AMD CEO.
Oh, and yeah incase you are wondering, I watched the whole JP Morgan event live.
Neither MS or nVidia were forced to support it though - despite the rhetoric used in support of Mantle developers were hardly jumping on it - there are some good points to Mantle but it is a far more complex case than is relevant to the point I was making - one potential case in contrast to a history that goes the other way on both sides.
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