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If you read the AT article console games use certain methods which don't play well with more than a single GPU.
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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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Ian, I think you misunderstand what I was getting at. I didnt say because it was only a certain resolution, I said that the only bit of info on that particular graph was the resolution. There is nothing else on there to compare/contrast anything with, and as i said when review sites do these averages over 25 or so games then with the amount of Gameworks sponsored titles compared to AMD titles and also not figuring in the Vulkan version of Doom, then an average is going to look a lot worse than it should be for an AMD card.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
Oh, i thought you was getting at that the fury x is quicker than the 1070, which it is at 4k only
silly me 
Yeah, it'll likely take consoles going proper mGPU before it generally works flawlessly on PC.
Apart from in the niche case of VR, but that still hasn't got support yet either.
AMD did imply they'd like to go into highly-scalable mGPU designs (like make the largest chip <200mm2, and then just use 4 of them on an interposer for ultra high end chips). If they go through with that idea, and make get it into the PS5/Xboxtwo, mGPU could be the future.
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Sooooo! Anything worth waiting for regards AMD? Or just buy a 1070?
No one knows yet. TBF when Vega hits im sure it will certainly compete with the 1070 but if Vega has anything faster than the Titan XP we don't know. But problem is 1070 now or wait few more months to buy AMD card which then depends on the price lol.
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It depends there's been a steady stream of DX12 enabled titles over the last few months which puts the 480 in a different league compared to it's DX11 performance which offten requires a few driver revisions to get the best performance. How long do you plan on keeping it? If your going to keep it for longer then a year who do think out of AMD and Nvidia will have the best long term product support?
It's not so much will Vega be faster then a Titan XP but what games Vega will be faster/slower compared to a Titan XP. The way I see it AMD's technology is tied to these new API's I can't see them really addressing DX11 shortfalls as that would be a backwards step and expensive. As more and more games make use of modern API's the gap between the companies will hopefully be narrowed.
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Nvidia’s 2017 trouble is called RTG
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/42125-nvidia-s-2017-trouble-is-called-rtg
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/42125-nvidia-s-2017-trouble-is-called-rtg
Silly article, Vega will most likely be £1000+, 16GB HBM2 won't come cheap. AMD don't have the reputation to sell many of those, even if they are TXP killers. Doubt AMD will dent NVIDIA's market share at all.
Lets hope its more than words.
If the performance is there, they'll sell.
Without scanning through nearly 40 pages of arguing and bickering, should I hold off from buying a 480 around xmas time? Or is Vega likely to be the end of H1 2017?
Im getting a FreeSync monitor for xmas, 21:9 and 2560x1080. Im currently running a GTX 780 so need an AMD card to take advantage of FreeSync.
Im getting a FreeSync monitor for xmas, 21:9 and 2560x1080. Im currently running a GTX 780 so need an AMD card to take advantage of FreeSync.
Vega won't be coming till March/April at the earliest I imagine.
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I looked at Zauba database there was no sighting of first Vega sample shipping out of Canada yet.
I remembered Nvidia GM204 first sample shipped out was in database back in Feb 2014, took about 8 months to launch in Sept 2014 and GM200 first sample shipped was back in July 2014 and took 8 months to launch in March 2015.
Look like chances for Vega launch by end of June will be very slim. Vega launch could possible delayed into H2 2017 if Trump cancelled Canada and China trades will badly affected both RTG and AMD future roadmaps.
Nvidia CEO already spoke about Trump, he is hopefully to see Nvidia recover from it quickly and find a way through and a find a way forward. Both RTG and AMD are silence on Trump.
I remembered Nvidia GM204 first sample shipped out was in database back in Feb 2014, took about 8 months to launch in Sept 2014 and GM200 first sample shipped was back in July 2014 and took 8 months to launch in March 2015.
Look like chances for Vega launch by end of June will be very slim. Vega launch could possible delayed into H2 2017 if Trump cancelled Canada and China trades will badly affected both RTG and AMD future roadmaps.
Nvidia CEO already spoke about Trump, he is hopefully to see Nvidia recover from it quickly and find a way through and a find a way forward. Both RTG and AMD are silence on Trump.
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An 8gb 480 will run 2560x1080 well.
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That's bad news, but I can see it happening if HBM2 is working out more expensive than anticipated....
Looks like the Pascal release was a good move, esp if the same happens to Volta and it gets penciled in for the end of 2017.
How could AMD get this so desperately wrong? No way they'll have nothing but a mid-range offering and just let Nvidia stomp all over their garden unchallenged in the enthusiast sector for a full year after a process shrink. That'd be insane.
If HBM2 was any kind of roadblock, they should have switched out to GDDR5X a while ago. It's still a very meaningful improvement and the benefit of going HBM2 over it is probably not all that significant. Certainly nothing to delay your entire new product line for so long when you have absolutely nothing to compete with for the time being.
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Might be why nVidia shoehorned in Pascal to come before Volta for this very reason...
It's not as simple as that since HBM2 uses an interposer and different memory controller. Fundamentally changing the die and board design.
If they had no indication early on it would be a problem, they can't just 'switch' to G5X.
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Most of the money is made selling professional cards and high performance data centres, Nvidia is having no issues at all selling its high end enthusiast cards and you can bet the profit margins on them are a lot higher then low end and mid-range.
It does seem strange AMD hasn't even tried to challenge Nvidia with a RX490 type card, with DX12 being used more and more the lower CPU overhead benefits AMD a lot (it doesn’t help product lunches when review sites like Toms Hardware continue to benchmark rubbish like Project cards which clear doesn’t utilise AMD’s hardware correctly which shows it in a bad light from the get go). AMD obviously has their reasons for not lunching an enthusiast grade card but I would like someone to challenge them on this at the next shareholders AGM.
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