AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[r7slayer]

Just had an idea - maybe AMD is trying to launch Vega and Zen together??

Most likely. Save them having two reveals and the buzz will more likely help with sales.

 

[Seanspeed]

Nvidia going to nothing have after the 1080Ti, until well into 2018 when Volta comes out. Leaving a year for AMD to run around with Vega, and preparing for Navi in 2018.

Well we dont know for sure Volta will be 2018. In fact, releasing the Titan X as early as they did would indicate to me they are somewhat confident in their timeline, otherwise they'd basically have given themselves more than a year and a half with nothing but a slightly boosted GP102 up their sleeve. It's not like Nvidia to drop the ball on tactics like that.

I dont know when to expect it, but I'd at least not be surprised if Volta was ready to roll by late summer or fall of 2017.

Most likely. Save them having two reveals and the buzz will more likely help with sales.

I dont know. Two separate reveals gives them more coverage time overall, rather then condensing it all into one event.

Also Zen's relevance goes well beyond Vega's. Most of us are probably far more interested in Vega, but to the general PC industry, Zen is the bigger potential deal. Dont know if they want to take attention away from it by also announcing Vega products.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Most likely. Save them having two reveals and the buzz will more likely help with sales.

Well if Zen is even half decent,I can really see it lifting the brand and helping graphics cards sales too.

 

[SiDeards73]

Well we dont know for sure Volta will be 2018. In fact, releasing the Titan X as early as they did would indicate to me they are somewhat confident in their timeline, otherwise they'd basically have given themselves more than a year and a half with nothing but a slightly boosted GP102 up their sleeve. It's not like Nvidia to drop the ball on tactics like that.

I dont know when to expect it, but I'd at least not be surprised if Volta was ready to roll by late summer or fall of 2017.


I dont know. Two separate reveals gives them more coverage time overall, rather then condensing it all into one event.

Also Zen's relevance goes well beyond Vega's. Most of us are probably far more interested in Vega, but to the general PC industry, Zen is the bigger potential deal.

+1 to this, Nvidia will carry on milking as much as possible, i bet they release cards in 2017, even if marginal at best upgrades, they will still sell truckloads

 

[Seanspeed]

+1 to this, Nvidia will carry on milking as much as possible, i bet they release cards in 2017, even if marginal at best upgrades, they will still sell truckloads

I dont know how you got that from my post. Nvidia releasing Volta in 2017 would not be 'milking' anything. It'd be progress. Volta is an architectural jump.

Leave it to you to call releasing a new line of cards as 'milking' when it comes to Nvidia.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Also Zen's relevance goes well beyond Vega's. Most of us are probably far more interested in Vega, but to the general PC industry, Zen is the bigger potential deal. Dont know if they want to take attention away from it by also announcing Vega products.

No,because AMD as a brand have been also affected by their CPUs not being very competitive either.

If Zen is even half decent,it will lift perception of their brand as a whole,and on top of that they can sell,entirely AMD based systems which will actually have half decent performance compared to say an Intel/Nvidia based solution. That is providing Zen and Vega are competitive OFC!!

 

[SiDeards73]

I dont know how you got that from my post. Nvidia releasing Volta in 2017 would not be 'milking' anything. It'd be progress. Volta is an architectural jump.

Leave it to you to call releasing a new line of cards as 'milking' when it comes to Nvidia.

Sorry i upset you, apologies for that...

You are correct, Nvidia release products yearly, i had a look at their release history and they normally release multiple cards each year.

Been on an AMD card for so long without feeling i need to upgrade i thought it was normal to buy a new card every 3 years or so, however you are correct, Nvidia release new cards each year which people buy, often the same people.

So no, they dont milk their customers...

 

[Seanspeed]

Sorry i upset you, apologies for that...

You are correct, Nvidia release products yearly, i had a look at their release history and they normally release multiple cards each year.

Been on an AMD card for so long without feeling i need to upgrade i thought it was normal to buy a new card every 3 years or so, however you are correct, Nvidia release new cards each year which people buy, often the same people.

So no, they dont milk their customers...

Yup, you honestly are sitting here trying to say that Nvidia are the bad guys for advancing their tech and releasing new and better products each year.

Unbelievable.

Any reasonable PC gamer would commend such a thing. But it's Nvidia, so you need to try and take a negative perspective *somehow*, even if it makes you look foolish in the process.

You might have noticed that there's quite a lot of AMD supporters who are a bit frustrated at not having anything to upgrade their 290's and 390's to. But hey, screw them, right? AMD is doing the right thing by not 'milking' them. Who needs a better product anyways? Not like anybody would want to game at 1440p or 4k nowadays.

Jesus crust on a stick.

Also, you're not 'upsetting' me at all. Just making my eyes roll way farther than I realized they could go.

 

[Seanspeed]

No,because AMD as a brand have been also affected by their CPUs not being very competitive either.

If Zen is even half decent,it will lift perception of their brand as a whole,and on top of that they can sell,entirely AMD based systems which will actually have half decent performance compared to say an Intel/Nvidia based solution. That is providing Zen and Vega are competitive OFC!!

They can still do all that without announcing them together, all at once.

Remember that Vega is likely to be an enthusiast-level GPU line, so wont exactly be relevant for the majority of the PC market. Zen is going to have a bigger potential impact in OEM products than with enthusiast gamers.

 

[Geck0]

They can still do all that without announcing them together, all at once.

Remember that Vega is likely to be an enthusiast-level GPU line, so wont exactly be relevant for the majority of the PC market. Zen is going to have a bigger potential impact in OEM products than with enthusiast gamers.

Agreed, but flagship is flagship and AMD has a gulf to fill on both CPU & GPU sides there. What I think you'll also see in the near term is a Polaris refresh with the process maturing - the golden cores that have been dedicated to the embedded & workstation markets will become more common. Possibly RX485 type branding with better perf/w entering the stack in the low to mid segment prior to the cut down Vega variants later in 2017?

The stock is up 10%+ overnight just on the Google news - $10USD by end of Q1 or Q2 latest I'd say.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

They can still do all that without announcing them together, all at once.

Remember that Vega is likely to be an enthusiast-level GPU line, so wont exactly be relevant for the majority of the PC market. Zen is going to have a bigger potential impact in OEM products than with enthusiast gamers.

The first Zen chips to be released are the 8C/16T Zen SR7 ones,which will be targetted towards enthusiasts on the desktop.

So you could argue Zen SR7 and Vega would be a good match to launch together,as it signals a return to the highend for AMD in both CPUs and GPUs.

 

[SiDeards73]

Yup, you honestly are sitting here trying to say that Nvidia are the bad guys for advancing their tech and releasing new and better products each year.

Unbelievable.

Any reasonable PC gamer would commend such a thing. But it's Nvidia, so you need to try and take a negative perspective *somehow*, even if it makes you look foolish in the process.

You might have noticed that there's quite a lot of AMD supporters who are a bit frustrated at not having anything to upgrade their 290's and 390's to. But hey, screw them, right? AMD is doing the right thing by not 'milking' them. Who needs a better product anyways? Not like anybody would want to game at 1440p or 4k nowadays.

Jesus crust on a stick.

Also, you're not 'upsetting' me at all. Just making my eyes roll way farther than I realized they could go.

290's running 1440p? yep got that.... (see my sig)

Im not implying anything, its your interpretation of my comments mate, i make no bones i dont buy Nvidia products, and yeah they give good performance on their cards, i never mentioned that AMD was doing anything right either... again your interpretation...

No need to get so defensive buddy, its a graphics card

 

[Bonjour]

1440p/144Hz here, on crossfired 390s.

 

[bru]

Some of you need to go onto Beyond3D forums - Vega looks to more than a minor change to Polaris.

Yup there has been a few vague hints that Vega is quite a major reworking of things and far more than just a GCN 1.4/1.5 update.


One thing that would be quite funny, is if AMD change things to a degree that all the hard work of getting GCN into consoles and being ahead of the curve for DX12, suddenly count for nought, as their new cards are a different architecture.
Surely that would be madness, no company would drop the ball that much, but then again this is AMD we are talking about.

 

[Seanspeed]

290's running 1440p? yep got that.... (see my sig)

Im not implying anything, its your interpretation of my comments mate, i make no bones i dont buy Nvidia products, and yeah they give good performance on their cards, i never mentioned that AMD was doing anything right either... again your interpretation...

No need to get so defensive buddy, its a graphics card

My interpretation? lol

Please dont treat me like I'm an idiot dude.

And what an ironic comment, "its a graphics card". Says the person that is making some terribly foolish comments based on their own fanboyish sentiments about GPU manufacturers.

You're a lost hope dude. You know exactly what you were trying to say.

And a 290/390 is not a great 1440p card and y'all know it. I can run certain apps at 4k with my card, doesn't mean it's an ideal GPU for it in general. That's not really the point anyways. Clearly many AMD users definitely want to upgrade and Polaris disappointed them in that regard. Dont act like AMD not releasing something even better was a pro-consumer decision to 'not milk' the consumers. There is no interpretation needed to point out you claimed that Nvidia are 'milking' customers by making progress and releasing better GPU's each year. Not like these are just some minor 5-10% gains, either. If it was, then yea, I'd say they're milking things(unless there were technical limitations involved). But that's not the case at all and you know it. Your post was bitter AF and you know it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yup there has been a few vague hints that Vega is quite a major reworking of things and far more than just a GCN 1.4/1.5 update.


One thing that would be quite funny, is if AMD change things to a degree that all the hard work of getting GCN into consoles and being ahead of the curve for DX12, suddenly count for nought, as their new cards are a different architecture.
Surely that would be madness, no company would drop the ball that much, but then again this is AMD we are talking about.

The PS4 PRO apparently uses a modified Polaris chip with some additional features - I wonder if some of these are from Vega?? Dunno.

But you might have notice that Polaris 10 has the same number of shaders as the GPU in the PS4 PRO. It makes me wonder how much of the work with Polaris 10 was in part down to the PS4 PRO contract.

Then there is the XBox Scorpio - that is aiming for a much higher TFLOPs rating than the PS4 PRO.

I suspect the smaller Vega chip will be based off the one in the XBox Scorpio.

 

[Seanspeed]

The PS4 PRO apparently uses a modified Polaris chip with some additional features - I wonder if some of these are from Vega?? Dunno.

I'm pretty sure that was fairly directly alluded to by Mark Cerny.

Vega definitely seems to be much more than Polaris v2 in general, too.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm pretty sure that was fairly directly alluded to by Mark Cerny.

Vega definitely seems to be much more than Polaris v2 in general, too.

Apparently smaller Vega follows the same shader number as Fiji.

Interestingly enough I did some rough scaling calculations using Hawaii to Polaris 10 and that would make the smaller Vega around 350MM2 in size which is not far off the GPUs in the HD5870,HD6970 and HD7970.

But Fiji was very bottlenecked - the RX480 can get close to a Fury X in some games(!).

So I wonder what a 4096 shader GPU with say,a 30% clockspeed bump,maybe more ROPs,and two generations of tessellation and uarch improvements would be?

According to the latest TPU review,a GTX1080FE is around 35% faster than a Fury X when both are at stock clockspeeds.

 

[Tute]

I'm pretty sure that was fairly directly alluded to by Mark Cerny.

Vega definitely seems to be much more than Polaris v2 in general, too.

I can't imagine Vega would be just Polaris v2, based purely on how long it's taken.

If they wanted to just shrink Fiji or make big Polaris we'd probably have it in our hands by now.

 

[JediFragger]

I can't imagine Vega would be just Polaris v2, based purely on how long it's taken.

If they wanted to just shrink Fiji or make big Polaris we'd probably have it in our hands by now.

No doubt it's going to be quite a radical shift, I just hope the DX11 scheduling improvements (and the overall DX12 goodness) bring a VERY competitive chip