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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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Freddie1980 said:
Most of the money is made selling professional cards and high performance data centres, Nvidia is having no issues at all selling its high end enthusiast cards and you can bet the profit margins on them are a lot higher then low end and mid-range.

It does seem strange AMD hasn't even tried to challenge Nvidia with a RX490 type card, with DX12 being used more and more the lower CPU overhead benefits AMD a lot (it doesn’t help product lunches when review sites like Toms Hardware continue to benchmark rubbish like Project cards which clear doesn’t utilise AMD’s hardware correctly which shows it in a bad light from the get go). AMD obviously has their reasons for not lunching an enthusiast grade card but I would like someone to challenge them on this at the next shareholders AGM.
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Here you go

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronti...g-machine-learning-in-the-cloud/#712e59814181
 
Some of you need to go onto Beyond3D forums - Vega looks to more than a minor change to Polaris. I know I am disappointed as anyone that AMD has not released a full range yet,but realistically they might as well release something decent and not half baked like Fiji was.

Plus I suspect Zen is really what is taking the lion's share of their r and d effort too.

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Yep,AMD has got some decent data centre wins and the Polaris and Fiji based Radeon SSG ranges might gain some sales too.
 
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AMD have been diligently "capturing the ecosystem" on consoles to effectively install their arch into game development for quite a few years now and you are beginning to see the results.

In the datacentre front, wins with Alibaba and Google are pretty straightforward but they have also made great strides in unix http://www.forbes.com/sites/moorins...-game-changer-in-the-datacenter/#4f661ee153fa

Lots going on, lets hope Vega shines bright.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Some of you need to go onto Beyond3D forums - Vega looks to more than a minor change to Polaris. I know I am disappointed as anyone that AMD has not released a full range yet,but realistically they might as well release something decent and not half baked like Fiji was.

Plus I suspect Zen is really what is taking the lion's share of their r and d effort too.

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Yep,AMD has got some decent data centre wins and the Polaris and Fiji based Radeon SSG ranges might gain some sales too.
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I just hope the long wait isn't ended by AMD releasing cards that are unreasonably priced simply because Nvidia can do it. For example I'm not happy paying more than 1080 money for Vega if it isn't a 1080 beater in all the api's (That's what they did with the Fury & 980ti on release). It's all very well saying how much faster it sometimes is in DX12 or Vulcan but that doesn't make it a faster card in the real world, I mean on average how many games are likely to release on those API's in 2017 & 2018? 20-30 maybe? So the majority of games will always be DX 9, 10 & 11. Certainly for the life span of Vega. I just hope they don't mess things up or I'll go without freesync with my next gpu, A 1080 would still run my 3440x1440 panel really well and as much as I want to continue to show them my support (however limited it may be) I'm not going to do so blindly.
 
Geck0 said:
AMD have been diligently "capturing the ecosystem" on consoles to effectively install their arch into game development for quite a few years now and you are beginning to see the results.

In the datacentre front, wins with Alibaba and Google are pretty straightforward but they have also made great strides in unix http://www.forbes.com/sites/moorins...-game-changer-in-the-datacenter/#4f661ee153fa

Lots going on, lets hope Vega shines bright.
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Could not agree more mate. Exciting times ahead hopefully. Would be nice to see Intel and nVidia forced to pull out their ace card :)
 
nashathedog said:
I just hope the long wait isn't ended by AMD releasing cards that are unreasonably priced simply because Nvidia can do it. For example I'm not happy paying more than 1080 money for Vega if it isn't a 1080 beater in all the api's (That's what they did with the Fury & 980ti on release). It's all very well saying how much faster it sometimes is in DX12 or Vulcan but that doesn't make it a faster card in the real world, I mean on average how many games are likely to release on those API's in 2017 & 2018? 20-30 maybe? So the majority of games will always be DX 9, 10 & 11. Certainly for the life span of Vega. I just hope they don't mess things up or I'll go without freesync with my next gpu, A 1080 would still run my 3440x1440 panel really well and as much as I want to continue to show them my support (however limited it may be) I'm not going to do so blindly.
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Mate I get your point, I truly do and I don't entirely disagree with it.

I can afford to go out and buy whatever I want to - but I'm old enough to remember how badly technology ages if it's not forward looking. It's the old ant & grasshopper parable. Apart from that I look at things a little differently these days and I'm not constantly on the bleeding edge - I'm a value proposition customer who doesn't measure the upper 20 or 15th percentile - just what I pay for what I get and for how long. nVidia don't fit the bill and never have in that respect - their stuff ages terribly (been in & around IT for 20+yrs mind).

I'm running a modified and water cooled R9 290 reference on a Qnix 2710 panel and it does what I need it to do pretty capably in the games I play at decent settings - I was in a top 10 OGL Starsiege Tribes clan back in 1999 but these days I just prefer to play post apocalyptic 1st person stuff on my own away from all the noise and annoying kids. Horses for courses I guess.

I looked at the RX480 and it's not compelling for me because I can still live with the 290, under water it's not noisy. The Fury same deal, yes it'd be an upgrade but for no good reason.

I'll wait and see what Vega is, if it's good then I'll update the monitor as well because I can reasonably justify it and hand the old Kit off to my little girl to render roblox at insane rates in glorious 1440p.

In the meantime I'm doing a knock down rebuild on our property so I have other more pressing concerns - it's a mindfork.
 
Seanspeed said:
How could AMD get this so desperately wrong? No way they'll have nothing but a mid-range offering and just let Nvidia stomp all over their garden unchallenged in the enthusiast sector for a full year after a process shrink. That'd be insane.
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Nvidia going to nothing have after the 1080Ti, until well into 2018 when Volta comes out. Leaving a year for AMD to run around with Vega, and preparing for Navi in 2018.
 
Geck0 said:
Mate I get your point, I truly do and I don't entirely disagree with it.

I can afford to go out and buy whatever I want to - but I'm old enough to remember how badly technology ages if it's not forward looking. It's the old ant & grasshopper parable. Apart from that I look at things a little differently these days and I'm not constantly on the bleeding edge - I'm a value proposition customer who doesn't measure the upper 20 or 15th percentile - just what I pay for what I get and for how long. nVidia don't fit the bill and never have in that respect - their stuff ages terribly (been in & around IT for 20+yrs mind).

I'm running a modified and water cooled R9 290 reference on a Qnix 2710 panel and it does what I need it to do pretty capably in the games I play at decent settings - I was in a top 10 OGL Starsiege Tribes clan back in 1999 but these days I just prefer to play post apocalyptic 1st person stuff on my own away from all the noise and annoying kids. Horses for courses I guess.

I looked at the RX480 and it's not compelling for me because I can still live with the 290, under water it's not noisy. The Fury same deal, yes it'd be an upgrade but for no good reason.

I'll wait and see what Vega is, if it's good then I'll update the monitor as well because I can reasonably justify it and hand the old Kit off to my little girl to render roblox at insane rates in glorious 1440p.

In the meantime I'm doing a knock down rebuild on our property so I have other more pressing concerns - it's a mindfork.
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At the end of the day if it's reasonably priced I'll pay it, I'm not loaded but I'll save up, I'll probably end up treating myself to a new TV and PS4 Pro this Christmas, I'd rather buy Vega first but it's likely to release a few months into the new year so I'll have to do that last.

Supernaut91 said:
Could not agree more mate. Exciting times ahead hopefully. Would be nice to see Intel and nVidia forced to pull out their ace card :)
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If you look at there road map it seems Intel are already preparing to battle Zen with a 6 core mainstream offering in the Coffeelake line up. Let's hope AMD manage to do what they've set out too.
 
JediFragger said:
Yup, nVidia are def short on funds when it comes to fast-tracking a product....
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Or do what Nvidia has always done,if AMD has something competitive they will just adjust pricing and drop a game deal here and there.

Probably far less riskier than rushing a product forward when they already have products which will be competitive too.

The only way Nvidia will be in a panic is if AMD has another HD4850/HD4870 level moment with Vega,which I am doubting Vega will be as it looks like they will be largish chips using complicated packaging.
 
I don't pay much attention to AMD news what with me having Gsync and all that, but with the current ludicrous price of 1080's and the, no doubt astronomical price of the 1080ti... is Vega likely to compete at the high end?

Would any of you consider disregarding Gsync for an AMD card with better performance/£?

The market is ripe for an undercutting exercise if the product is available, but having invested in Gsync I'm not sure it could be justified.

Actually, has anyone run an AMD card on a Gsync monitor?
 
String said:
I don't pay much attention to AMD news what with me having Gsync and all that, but with the current ludicrous price of 1080's and the, no doubt astronomical price of the 1080ti... is Vega likely to compete at the high end?

Would any of you consider disregarding Gsync for an AMD card with better performance/£?

The market is ripe for an undercutting exercise if the product is available, but having invested in Gsync I'm not sure it could be justified.

Actually, has anyone run an AMD card on a Gsync monitor?
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I have run an AMD card on a G-Sync monitor and no probs for me except anything over 60Hz resulted in massive flicker which would end with a black screen but a new lead to replace the supplied lead sorted that and of course you lose the smoothness factor, which I did notice quite a lot but just for light gaming, it worked just fine.
 
nashathedog said:
I mean on average how many games are likely to release on those API's in 2017 & 2018? 20-30 maybe?
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My wild guesstimate? Of the AAA titles nearly all will have "DX12". It will be a significant improvement on about half of them and something that shows up in benchmarks for the rest. Of smaller titles, much more scattered. Maybe a third have discernible improvement with DX12 and the rest either nothing or nothing meaningful.

Still, that's quite a fast uptake, imo.
 
The thing about dx12 is you need to make people want to upgrade to windows 10 to use, which i dont want to do even though it was a free upgrade as i prefer windows 8.1.

This is also why i dont see the point in upgrading my gfx card.
 
Nothing to do with Freesync but the panel manufacturer.
The C34F791 comes out, with 34" 3440x1440 at 100hz native.
 
Ian Evey said:
The thing about dx12 is you need to make people want to upgrade to windows 10 to use, which i dont want to do even though it was a free upgrade as i prefer windows 8.1.

This is also why i dont see the point in upgrading my gfx card.
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I'm sure there is more people using Win 10 than even Win 7 now on steam. About 48% of people rocking win 10. That's a majority of gamers. with only 28% on win 7 which is next highest OS.
 
chroniclard said:
My issue with Freesync is that on larger monitors(wide screen) the refresh rate seems to be inferior to GSync? Not that I have either tech yet.
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Although I did not like the 2560x1080 res I briefly had an Acer that was a 35" 144hz freesync panel which is pretty good, I do get what you mean though the g-sync version of that is 200hz and as another example the Asus Rog Dominator is a 144hz panel but it only has a 40 to 95 hz working free-sync range where as G-sync panels tend to top out at the max the panel can manage. My current 3440x1440 has a 35 to 75 freesync range on a 75hz panel while the equivalent G-sync model appears to be 100hz, so yes current freesync offerings do lose out when it comes to the numbers but I suppose that's what justifies the added cost of g-sync.
 
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