AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Rroff · 4 Dec 2016 at 16:47

Toss3 said:
AMD's "response" was the RX 480, which basically was just another x80 product marketed as being something more, and Nvidia of course easily responded with the GTX 1060 which offered better performance for the same amount of money.

A debatable point but the fact is the 1060 still sells a ton - AMD really need to utilise everything they can to sell GPUs in that price bracket.

The money makers usually though are the GPUs that sit just below that which tend to be the ones the average consumer buy en mass.

humbug · 4 Dec 2016 at 16:54

Rroff said:
A debatable point but the fact is the 1060 still sells a ton - AMD really need to utilise everything they can to sell GPUs in that price bracket.

The money makers usually though are the GPUs that sit just below that which tend to be the ones the average consumer buy en mass.

Nvidia sell more GPU's than AMD, congratulations you get bonus points.

How many GPU's Nvidia sell is not relevant to AMD.

All that matters to AMD is AMD getting a return on their investments, thats all.

Its not AMD job to stop Nvidia selling GPU's, its AMD's job to sell their own.

whyscotty · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:07

humbug said:
Wall of text ^^^^^ the 970 was never $500 so the wall is likely to be nonsense.
If you can't say it in a few sentences don't bother, most people browsing around here don't have time to read text walls.
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Pascal doesn't run 2100Mhz 24/7?

You obviously didn't read it, as he never said the 970 was $500

Toss3 said:
The GTX 970 was an absolute steal at only $329

easyrider · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:11

I'm hoping it's not a flop I really am.

Griffildur · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:17

humbug said:
Wall of text ^^^^^ the 970 was never $500 so the wall is likely to be nonsense.
If you can't say it in a few sentences don't bother, most people browsing around here don't have time to read text walls.
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Pascal doesn't run 2100Mhz 24/7?

if you can't be bothered to read what someone posts then don't bother replying to it. it's common sense really. As a side comment, I wonder if you are aware of these long walls of texts called books

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Panos · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:21

LoadsaMoney said:
Throttling while idle lol

Throttling while watercooled under full load at 32C, and for every 10C afterwards cuts 12-24mhz if you have them aircooled.

My idle temps were 13C

humbug · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:29

Panos said:
Throttling while watercooled under full load at 32C, and for every 10C afterwards cuts 12-24mhz.

My idle temps were 13C

Thats a cold room, put some heating on :eek:

LoadsaMoney · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:33

humbug said:
Thats a cold room, put some heating on

or get an AMD card in there

humbug · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:34

LoadsaMoney said:
or get an AMD card in there

*Yawn*

Rroff · 4 Dec 2016 at 17:51

humbug said:
Nvidia sell more GPU's than AMD, congratulations you get bonus points.

How many GPU's Nvidia sell is not relevant to AMD.

All that matters to AMD is AMD getting a return on their investments, thats all.

Its not AMD job to stop Nvidia selling GPU's, its AMD's job to sell their own.

When I said debatable I was talking about which was faster out of the RX480 and 1060.

Funny how so many read everything I say as negative about AMD despite the fact if you bother to read all my posts here objectively out of the negative ones its split pretty much 50/50 between nVidia and AMD even if admittedly out of my positive posts probably more 70/30.

Gregster · 4 Dec 2016 at 18:00

humbug said:
Wall of text ^^^^^ the 970 was never $500 so the wall is likely to be nonsense.
If you can't say it in a few sentences don't bother, most people browsing around here don't have time to read text walls.
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Pascal doesn't run 2100Mhz 24/7?

He never said it was $500 :confused:

And a very rude thing to say. I thought it was a good post!

humbug · 4 Dec 2016 at 18:24

You would, not that i would know... and i think he can speak for himself, Greg ^^^^ mind your own.

Rroff said:
When I said debatable I was talking about which was faster out of the RX480 and 1060.

Funny how so many read everything I say as negative about AMD despite the fact if you bother to read all my posts here objectively out of the negative ones its split pretty much 50/50 between nVidia and AMD even if admittedly out of my positive posts probably more 70/30.

My bad but the point i was driving at was to the wider debate that AMD should/not be pricing their GPU's to compete with Nvidia.

Competing directly with Nvidia is what brought ATI to the brink of bankruptcy and starved AMD of GPU R&D cash.

Nvidia will sell 4 time many GPU's as AMD no matter what AMD do with pricing and performance, it makes no meaningful difference so they had might as well sell their GPU's at a reasonable prices while also maintaining a healthy profit.

The only way AMD can compete with Nvidia is if AMD suddenly become better at marketing than Nvidia, no chance of that, how well something performs and how much it costs is the last thing most people who buy these things pay attention to.

We here being knowledgeable are in the extreme minority, and even for a lot of people in here would still buy one vendor over another no matter what.

Rroff · 4 Dec 2016 at 18:27

humbug said:
Nvidia will sell 4 time many GPU's as AMD no matter what AMD do with pricing and performance, it makes no meaningful difference so they had might as well sell their GPU's at a reasonable prices while also maintaining a healthy profit.

Certainly in the position they are now AMD wants to be keeping a good eye on profitability.

Kaapstad · 4 Dec 2016 at 19:20

humbug said:
If you can't say it in a few sentences don't bother, most people browsing around here don't have time to read text walls.

You must remind DM about this^^^^.

humbug said:
Pascal doesn't run 2100Mhz 24/7?

They do when water cooled.

One of my Titans was quite happy running an OpenCL bench @2101mhz without dipping below it yesterday and it was not just a quick single run either.

The best part about it was the Titan was not even flat out and was on stock volts and bios.

Kaapstad · 4 Dec 2016 at 19:27

humbug said:
The only way AMD can compete with Nvidia is if AMD suddenly become better at marketing than Nvidia, no chance of that.

This only needs one person who knows what they are doing, it has nothing to do with lack of money or resources.

Steve Jobs did ok at Apple.

Maybe AMD should be more careful who they hire to do the job going forward.

Rroff · 4 Dec 2016 at 20:48

Kaapstad said:
They do when water cooled.

One of my Titans was quite happy running an OpenCL bench @2101mhz without dipping below it yesterday and it was not just a quick single run either.

The best part about it was the Titan was not even flat out and was on stock volts and bios.

Boost on Pascal is a bit weird - if you can't keep em below a certain temperature they'll start throttling to ~2.02GHz but with reason power target rather than temperature under certain circumstances but if you can keep the temps low they don't hit that power target throttle as much.

With a minor adjustment I can mostly run 2100MHz on the default air cooler on my 1070 but occasionally it will drop back to 202xMHz due to that reason power target once temps go above ~79C - even if I increase the temperature and power targets for some reason. Not that it is really noticeable in terms of framerate.

melmac · 4 Dec 2016 at 21:38

Toss3 said:
AMD's "response" was the RX 480, which basically was just another x80 product marketed as being something more).

You keep saying this, and you are still wrong. Every time you post this nonsense, you lose credibility for the rest of your post.

AMD marketed the 480 card as a 380/380x replacement. They marketed it as mainstream card. They consistently pointed out that Polaris was never going to be high end. It was never going to compete against the 1070 and was never supposed to. The 480 wasn't a response to the 1070.

The Polaris launch was AMD changing tactics and releasing their low end cards first.

LoadsaMoney · 4 Dec 2016 at 21:52

melmac said:
AMD marketed the 480 card as a 380/380x replacement. They marketed it as mainstream card. They consistently pointed out that Polaris was never going to be high end. It was never going to compete against the 1070 and was never supposed to. The 480 wasn't a response to the 1070.

The Polaris launch was AMD changing tactics and releasing their low end cards first.

No they didn't, the 480s for VR, Vive/Rift owners, or those who are going to be.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/radeon-rx-480-2016may31.aspx

If you havn't got a Vive/Rift, and you are not getting a one, then the 480 is not for you.

Nutella33 · 4 Dec 2016 at 22:21

Have you even read the link beyond the title? Of the 4 bullet points, 3 are about reducing the cost or having an affordable and accessible card that can do VR for everyone.

it screams "mainstream", And thats what it did.

http://videocardz.com/61475/amd-radeon-rx-480-rumors-part-7

If you havn't got a Vive/Rift, and you are not getting a one, then the 480 is not for you.

At no point did AMD say this was only for VR.

Kaapstad · 4 Dec 2016 at 23:08

Rroff said:
Boost on Pascal is a bit weird - if you can't keep em below a certain temperature they'll start throttling to ~2.02GHz but with reason power target rather than temperature under certain circumstances but if you can keep the temps low they don't hit that power target throttle as much.

With a minor adjustment I can mostly run 2100MHz on the default air cooler on my 1070 but occasionally it will drop back to 202xMHz due to that reason power target once temps go above ~79C - even if I increase the temperature and power targets for some reason. Not that it is really noticeable in terms of framerate.

They are very temperature sensitive.

To get the best out of them even on water they need to stay below about 40C or they will drop by 13mhz as soon as they go over.