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AMD Vesuvius R9 295 X2 Inbound

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MjFrosty said:
I'll admit I'm baiting a little with that, was just pointing out why go to reviewers when we have a perfectly good bench section for multiple things right here.
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Good point. Just checked 3d mark and 290x's and 780ti's at top clocks are within spitting distance of each other if you exclude the ln2 results.


Reviews with old drivers, reference coolers and very minor overclocks seems to be the only thing out there. You would think Nvidia and AMD would send a card or two around to risk some hefty clocking for official reviews. To me, the clocks you can reach on these cards is one of the nicest selling points.
 
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Lol got to hand it to AMD they know how to start a fire.

It's bound to be a monster. I know it's a touchy subject but honestly I'm dying to know what the stock cooler is going to be

Avenged7Fold said:
Good point. Just checked 3d mark and 290x's and 780ti's at top clocks are within spitting distance of each other if you exclude the ln2 results.


Reviews with old drivers, reference coolers and very minor overclocks seems to be the only thing out there. You would think Nvidia and AMD would send a card or two around to risk some hefty clocking for official reviews. To me, the clocks you can reach on these cards is one of the nicest selling points.
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That's the thing with these sites, not only do they never push them far enough but by the time the dusts settled there are a lot of out dated figures to gorp over. We've got a perfectly good section on here yet people graph hunt
 
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MjFrosty said:
Lol got to hand it to AMD they know how to start a fire.
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0000pcet
 
vsg28 said:
lol fair enough, I just noticed that.



I am not talking clock-for-clock here, but rather absolute performance difference between a voltage unlocked 780 Ti and a voltage unlocked 290x.

I don't have anything against AMD, heck I had two 290x cards myself. But then they released the 290 at $150 less in the US, then gave free games to everyone but us owners of the 290/290x. If the mining craze had not happened, the early adopters would have been massively screwed and for the first month or so I was not impressed by the way they ran the release one bit.

Back to topic: I am fairly certain AMD has realized what a bad stock cooler can do and will likely have a much better one on this dual card. I personally would rather they spend less on a stock cooler and transfer the savings on to us so we can then slap on a water block instead :D
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Benchers use overvolted 290Xs as well, check out what 8 Pack has been doing. In some benches the 290X is faster and in some the 780ti is faster. It is a case of using the right tool for the job.

As a rough guide for normal use the 780ti is about 5% faster on average.
 
vsg28 said:
The point I was making is that Nvidia's technology is already ahead on average and they are looking likely to come out with new technology sooner than AMD. Now how they choose to let consumers access this technology is a different matter- Nvidia and its green light program can go kiss my backside for all I am concerned.
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Technology

NVidia = Poor bus (384bit) + good vram (high clockspeed)

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AMD = Good bus (512bit) + poor vram (low clockspeed)

I think we are going to have to call it a draw.:D
 
Reference coolers are EOL. All current coolers let the card run fairly quietly and some of the aftermarket versions are even cheaper than what my reference cost.

As for poor RAM and Bus point from Kaap. I am leaning toward an Nvidia win, those black screens for other people may be rare but not as rare as they should be.

Technology wise, i don't think anyone in this thread would argue Nvidia are at a disadvantage. Not surprising considering how much cash is flowing though.
 
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If maxwell is still on the same memory bus I'll be waiting for AMD to follow up
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+1

At the moment 384bit is fine but in 2 years I don't think so.

Those 4K monitors are getting cheaper all the time and we have already seen one guy using 3 of them.
 
They've gotten away with it thus far but more and more people are using high resolution monitors and what lead Kepler has shrinks slightly at every step up. We need more bandwidth, and better IC on AMD
 
MjFrosty said:
If maxwell is still on the same memory bus I'll be waiting for AMD to follow up
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Very likely will be as Nvidia are using Cache to speed up Maxwell GPU's. The 750ti has this.. So even though the bus is very limited '128bit' it's still able to punch above it's weight.

If you scale that tech up to a 384bit bus with the Maxwell cache, it's going to be pretty darn awesome..

I'm calling it now, this next gen belongs to Nvidia. AMD will cling onto Mantle as a life raft against a horde of Maxwell cards spanking them into oblivion..
 
Boomstick777 said:
Very likely will be as Nvidia are using Cache to speed up Maxwell GPU's. The 750ti has this.. So even though the bus is very limited '128bit' it's still able to punch above it's weight.

If you scale that tech up to a 384bit bus with the Maxwell cache, it's going to be pretty darn awesome..

I'm calling it now, this next gen belongs to Nvidia. AMD will cling onto Mantle as a life raft against a horde of Maxwell cards spanking them into oblivion..
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IMO, Nvidia haven't got a hope if the 750TI is anything to go by, its so cut down anything with some decent GFX grinds it to a halt.

Its like going back to the days when a GPU was little more than a 2D image rendering device.
 
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Boomstick777 said:
Very likely will be as Nvidia are using Cache to speed up Maxwell GPU's. The 750ti has this.. So even though the bus is very limited '128bit' it's still able to punch above it's weight.

If you scale that tech up to a 384bit bus with the Maxwell cache, it's going to be pretty darn awesome..

I'm calling it now, this next gen belongs to Nvidia. AMD will cling onto Mantle as a life raft against a horde of Maxwell cards spanking them into oblivion..
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What do we actually know about Pirate Islands though? Sod all! Could have chip stacking, which would absolutely obliterate Maxwell on memory bandwidth. However Maxwell is already here so Volta will be the real comparison, I don't expect PI to come until late this year earliest.
 
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Kepler gets obliterated on that front already so stacking would be laughable however unlikely. Honestly if it does still rock 384bit I'll be ringing for a job at NV as someone there clearly wasn't listening to the consumers
 
humbug said:
IMO, Nvidia haven't got a hope if the 750TI is anything to go by, its so cut down anything with some decent GFX grinds it to a halt.

Its like going back to the days when a GPU was little more than a 2D image rendering device.
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U wot mate?

Gaming performance is up, mining performance is up, compute performance is up. This is while using less shaders VS previous gen also on same process while using much much much lower power..

If the 750ti is anything to go by...

AMD need to pray Nvidia go easy on them with the 20nm chips and launch the midrange stuff first..

Otherwise they might as well just stick to making APU's and Arm Server chips :p
 
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