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That is how cheap LCD's outsold high end Plasma's due to the stores have poor feeds and florescent lights in making the Plasma dull over the Shop/Demo/Dynamic mode of the LCD.

I have lost count of how many homes I have been in and seen a horrid picture on the TV and asked for the remote to see the Picture Mode was still on Dynamic (or similar name) but once you change it to a more natural setting they think it is dull but if they actually listen and bare with it a day or so they then know the previous setting was dire.

Imagine watching The Dark Knight in a dark room on that out the box/Store preset, it would be grey not black.
 
It's not just TVs, peoples monitors can be horrendous as well. Grass was like kryptonite on both their monitor and tv. Even the shadow detail was gone and blacks were so heavily skewed to blue/purple. Let alone lost detail on whites. No wonder people get headaches. Skin tones were also heavily on the orange side.

It was shocking seeing football matches on them.
 
b00merang69 said:
That is how cheap LCD's outsold high end Plasma's due to the stores have poor feeds and florescent lights in making the Plasma dull over the Shop/Demo/Dynamic mode of the LCD.

I have lost count of how many homes I have been in and seen a horrid picture on the TV and asked for the remote to see the Picture Mode was still on Dynamic (or similar name) but once you change it to a more natural setting they think it is dull but if they actually listen and bare with it a day or so they then know the previous setting was dire.

Imagine watching The Dark Knight in a dark room on that out the box/Store preset, it would be grey not black.
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precisely!

the poster before said lots of people like over saturated images.

but they can be converted. There are two sides to the story.

Over saturation causes issues on the dark parts of the image and one of two things happen - either you get washed out blacks and part of the image looks like a fuzzy grey with lack of detail or it goes the other way and the dark parts of the screen are too dark and lose all detail all together.

So when you fix the problem, yes bright colours lose saturation- but at the same time blacks will get better, they will regain their details and change from grey to black.
 
I am sure it was an advert for Pioneer or Panasonic Plasma's, it was a photo of a red rose (two photos actually).

One had lack of black like LCD's and other had proper blacks, now would you believe the Plasma showing the amazing blacks made the red look more colourful and the shadow detail in the photo pop out.

I wish I could find it but I looked a while back but it is not around.
 
V F said:
It's not just TVs, peoples monitors can be horrendous as well. Grass was like kryptonite on both their monitor and tv. Even the shadow detail was gone and blacks were so heavily skewed to blue/purple. Let alone lost detail on whites. No wonder people get headaches. Skin tones were also heavily on the orange side.
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Will be honest I am guilty of liking the more vibrant punchier colours on my new OLED's Standard mode vs Cinema mode which is meant to be one of the closest out of box calibrated options.

At least I don't use Vivid mode though which takes things to another level. While on the topic, why the hell do people like use Trumotion which makes everything like a soap opera. Nasty effect that is on by default, i turned off on every profile.

Still not settled on what profile I want to use permanently.

V F said:
My favourite is when they now say the image looks yellow.
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It does! :p;)

But only looks like because of the way eyes adjust from changing profiles. Give it a while and your eyes adjust and looks fine.
 
"Whites" are actually suppose to look slightly yellow/warm, at least when targeting for the recommended 6500k.

TNA said:
Will be honest I am guilty of liking the more vibrant punchier colours on my new OLED's Standard mode vs Cinema mode which is meant to be one of the closest out of box calibrated options.

At least I don't use Vivid mode though which takes things to another level. While on the topic, why the hell do people like use Trumotion which makes everything like a soap opera. Nasty effect that is on by default, i turned off on every profile.

Still not settled on what profile I want to use permanently.
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Technicolor preset is the best you can do followed by ISF for SDR and HDR content.

For dolby vision HDR, cinema mode is the best.

Unless the presets have changed between 2017 and them 2019 sets....

If you aren't going to get it properly calibrated, have a look over on avsforums for recommended settings, for the 2017 sets, this here is the best, probably won't be too far of for 2018/2019 sets though except for a few things like the brightness setting:

jbebel's LG OLED55C7P Settings and Defaults 04.70.07 - Google Sheets

For the brightness setting, best thing to do is get a black image/wallpaper, adjust the brightness until there is no "glow" to the black i.e. it is pure black, as if the TV were turned off, on my set, this is 51.

Must admit I quite like tru-motion but finely tweaked, iirc was 3 for de blur and 8 for the stutter or might be the other way round.... Although with the newer sets, it isn't really needed as much since motion is a bit better and you have BFI, which is generally better than resulting to "tru-motion".

A good test for motion/stutter are panning scenes, best one being x men, days of future past, when Wolverine goes through the metal detector at the white house.



On the topic of IQ of displays, if anyone wants a real good laugh at just how bad monitors are now, get the latest call of modern warfare and go from monitor to oled tv with hdr..... Out of my 2/3 years of using oled now, I have never seen such a difference, it is literally like a completely new generation of graphics just going from normal monitor to oled hdr :o

I'm starting to wonder if they gimped SDR mode or if it is broken or something, kept thinking to myself, surely it can't be this bad :p

People who care about IQ really need to get themselves on OLED if they haven't already.

TNA said:
Got a big back log of exclusives to play on my PS4 Pro I recently picked up. In no rush, Horizon Zero Dawn looks lush on my OLED :D
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Stunning that game! Amazing how some of those PS 4 exclusives look better than anything on the PC :o
 
So im just backing up and installing all the tests on the machines. I expect I should have a load of stuff in the next couple of hours. Should be interesting.
 
TNA said:
Will be honest I am guilty of liking the more vibrant punchier colours on my new OLED's Standard mode vs Cinema mode which is meant to be one of the closest out of box calibrated options.

At least I don't use Vivid mode though which takes things to another level. While on the topic, why the hell do people like use Trumotion which makes everything like a soap opera. Nasty effect that is on by default, i turned off on every profile.

Still not settled on what profile I want to use permanently.


It does! :p;)

But only looks like because of the way eyes adjust from changing profiles. Give it a while and your eyes adjust and looks fine.
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Soap opera effect is one of those things that only some people can see it.

Apparently plasma had some effect too in terms of its motion or refresh that only some people could see too and when they saw it they couldn't buy a plasma. I can't remember what it was now but it was motion related or something to do with pixels moving.

I notice banding, DSE, blooming but never noticed soap opera effect. Must be the ways some people's eyes can adjust to material and others not.

I have it on for Netflix but I'll need to check if it's off for sky. However that is what peeves me off as well. Apparently its great for sports but not movies. So I would need to turn it on and off every time I use it. If I can't notice it might as well leave it on.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Soap opera effect is one of those things that only some people can see it.

Apparently plasma had some effect too in terms of its motion or refresh that only some people could see too and when they saw it they couldn't buy a plasma. I can't remember what it was now but it was motion related or something to do with pixels moving.

I notice banding, DSE, blooming but never noticed soap opera effect. Must be the ways some people's eyes can adjust to material and others not.

I have it on for Netflix but I'll need to check if it's off for sky. However that is what peeves me off as well. Apparently its great for sports but not movies. So I would need to turn it on and off every time I use it. If I can't notice it might as well leave it on.
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Are you talking about something along the lines of The Rainbow Effect some see with DLP PJ's?

Motion on my Kuro is better than any LCD and some even said they found the same going from a Plasma to LG OLED's (first Gen models) again LG are not the best at the control side like, Pioneer and Panasonic but their panels are good.

I have no clue how anyone cannot see The Soap Opera Effect, if those processing settings are on and you show the wrong content for them it is like Superman or a Vamp in True Blood moving about the screen, hard to explain but they are in one place then instantly transported to the next place not seen moving naturally (sped up like FF Picture Search).
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Soap opera effect is one of those things that only some people can see it.

Apparently plasma had some effect too in terms of its motion or refresh that only some people could see too and when they saw it they couldn't buy a plasma. I can't remember what it was now but it was motion related or something to do with pixels moving.
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Everybody can see the Soap Opera effect, some just learn to ignore it or they get used to it and it doesn't annoy them.

What you are talking about on the plasma screens are the phosphor trails that they used to have, a sort of green trail on the screen.
 
melmac said:
Everybody can see the Soap Opera effect, some just learn to ignore it or they get used to it and it doesn't annoy them.

What you are talking about on the plasma screens are the phosphor trails that they used to have, a sort of green trail on the screen.
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some people like the soap opera affect
 
Question, I will be in a position to test the lols of this thread, with a new 5700 that will be going in my Desktop, as well as my existing Alienware with a 1060 mobile.

Theoretically (in the spirit of this thread), if I use the same output and cable to my monitor, same in game settings, and do a print-screen from each machine, should they result in different quality images that can be compared in raw png/whatever format?
 
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