AMD Vs. Nvidia Image Quality - Old man yells at cloud

[TNA]

I will tell you to stop acting daft as you will definitely get the boost in gpu performance. The problem i see is you are doing a lot of guess work on RT performance along with price. The lessons i have learned is expect to be unimpressed as time passes and be willing to pay a lot more for it.

On the colours you are most probably right and everyone should do what you are saying before they make a proper decision. proper calibration tools are more money though. I think Nvidia should have it right out of the box though and we wouldn't be talking. I feel no real need to do it with AMD as the visuals to me are fine.

I never said i am exclusively AMD, my first PC which got me into PC gaming was Nvidia. It's just when i buy i don't see why i would spend the extra on them. I don't buy as often as you though so we have different habits. Each to there own man. It's been a lol for ages in here as you can see due to tech slowing down imo but respect you as you make sense.

Yep. It is an educated guess. We will see how it goes but the way I see it is RT is such a small part of the silicon in the 2000 series that even if they just used a bit more of it they can double the performance. But I am sure they will have improved the architecture also to boot. Let's be honest. The RT performance on the 2000 series is sorely lacking. They will need to at least double this and it will not be hard to do.

We will see, I am confident in my prediction, enough so that I will reply to you once the reviews come out and say I told you so

As for the colours, what makes you think AMD's more vibrant colours are the correct colours? I actually think the opposite could potentially be true. For the record I like AMD's out of the box colours better too by the way.

 

[Rroff]

As for the colours, what makes you think AMD's more vibrant colours are the correct colours? I actually think the opposite could potentially be true. For the record I like AMD's out of the box colours better too by the way.

People shouldn't have to be calibrating, unless by choice anyhow and I don't really see the need for it - from what I can see the difference is a very slight discrepancy with the red value between nVidia and AMD that might be perceived somehow as an overall more vibrant image but not necessarily more correct.

One thing I would say is that I've occasionally updated nVidia drivers and noticed a sudden increase in sharpness in font rendering though I never saw them as less sharp before so I think some nVidia driver versions don't render fonts as well as other versions though I've never noticed the "downgrade" in quality when I change to those drivers initially. (It is possible some people have changed from such an nVidia driver to an AMD setup and seen the fonts as sharper but would have had the same effect just updating their nVidia drivers).

 

[TNA]

People shouldn't have to be calibrating, unless by choice anyhow and I don't really see the need for it - from I can see the difference is a very slight discrepancy with the red value between nVidia and AMD that might be perceived somehow as an overall more vibrant image but not necessarily more correct.

One thing I would say is that I've occasionally updated nVidia drivers and noticed a sudden increase in sharpness in font rendering though I never saw them as less sharp before so I think some nVidia driver versions don't render fonts as well as other versions though I've never noticed the "downgrade" in quality when I change to those drivers initially. (It is possible some people have changed from such an nVidia driver to an AMD setup and seen the fonts as sharper but would have had the same effect just updating their nVidia drivers).

I like to calibrate mine. I enjoy it

 

[TheRealDeal]

Yep. It is an educated guess. We will see how it goes but the way I see it is RT is such a small part of the silicon in the 2000 series that even if they just used a bit more of it they can double the performance. But I am sure they will have improved the architecture also to boot. Let's be honest. The RT performance on the 2000 series is sorely lacking. They will need to at least double this and it will not be hard to do.

We will see, I am confident in my prediction, enough so that I will reply to you once the reviews come out and say I told you so

As for the colours, what makes you think AMD's more vibrant colours are the correct colours? I actually think the opposite could potentially be true. For the record I like AMD's out of the box colours better too by the way.

I want you to be right, my expectations are low but as a guess you could well be right as it makes a lot of sense to what is easily possible.

Colours to me are weird, i don't have a clue what others see and i can't say as i see through my own eyes. Just know to mine and a few others eyes in my life the AMD image was preferential. To make a better decision i would need to see a whole lot configurations and go a bit further with calibration. My only way is to read what others think and it tends to be on AMD's side. Nvidia seems to be perfectly acceptable though to me, you and the majority. There is a reason they are easily winning in business and it's not because there image is crap. There technology in a lot of ways is superior added on to mind share. They just get a lot more right v Ati/Amd. Like yourself i can say out of the box AMD is superior which is your initial impressions. Most of us have heard first impressions matter and they clearly do. Hence why AMD drivers are crap and those that had this impression won't change and repeat it.

Any how to some up i have only seen a small range over 19 years of PC gaming, no monitor was calibrated by a device that would do it properly. Out of the box AMD easily for me yet Nvidia atm easily have the better tech. Just want them to make more sense price wise as i ain't daft enough to pay out for a tiny bit more if it does not benefit me enough

 

[TheRealDeal]

Ignore.

 

[Rroff]

I was just playing around with the numbers from a couple of sites and tapped in the supposed differences (couldn't quite get the numbers 100% for the colour profile but it is close) and it comes up fairly close to my memory of the differences though seems slightly exaggerated compared to what I remember and I think the white point on the AMD side has come out a little lower than it is on an actual system (or possibly the source image doesn't extend fully and there is some discrepancy between the two at near white I dunno):

https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxt...html?uid=5fb458c0-2c29-11ea-b9b8-0edaf8f81e27

 

[TNA]

Happy new year guys! 2020 is finally here and the 3070 I hope is getting near

I noticed 4K8K is not posting here much. Wonder if the mods had a word with him and told him to stop spreading so much fake news? @Space Monkey closed a thread in the CPU section where he was recommending a 3950X for browsing to someone. Lol. How can he in all good conscience be recommending that, all the while using a crappy 4 core laptop CPU that is less than half the speed of my Ryzen 3600?

 

[melmac]

I hope the mods don't close this thread. I am waiting for Vince to get back with his demos.

Even though, I do think 4k8k is done with this thread, so I think Vince's work will be wasted

 

[Vince]

I hope the mods don't close this thread. I am waiting for Vince to get back with his demos.

Even though, I do think 4k8k is done with this thread, so I think Vince's work will be wasted

Im going to do it dont you worry. I just need to not feel like rubbish and ill he away. Might try get it done later tonight.

 

[scubes]

This

This here is comedy gold! You claim to be an expert but don't calibrate your monitor? You Sir are a right plonker and have really shown your true pure excellen
colours. You didn't even have a guess at which monitor was which because you didn't have a clue, neither did Nasher. @Vince You Sir are a top man and loved reading your posts, even though I have the hangover from hell lol

This is why I love these forums it’s funny as **** I love reading all these comments over picture quality it’s great crack open a beer and prepare to be entertained lol.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

It's actually really simple. You buy a 2080ti, you check your bank statement, your eyes tear up and the image goes blured. On the otherhand, you buy a 5700XT and you dont have such problems - a crystal clear image.

 

[TNA]

This



This is why I love these forums it’s funny as **** I love reading all these comments over picture quality it’s great crack open a beer and prepare to be entertained lol.

 

[TNA]

It's actually really simple. You buy a 2080ti, you check your bank statement, your eyes tear up and the image goes blured. On the otherhand, you buy a 5700XT and you dont have such problems - a crystal clear image.

This would probably be the case for me actually. Lol.

Instead I just wait for the RTX 3070 which will offer around the same performance and even better RT performance for less than half the price of the 2080Ti. Got a big back log of exclusives to play on my PS4 Pro I recently picked up. In no rush, Horizon Zero Dawn looks lush on my OLED

If anyone is wondering why I don't want to go AMD for my next card, well, I have a very good 4K monitor that does not suffer from any dead pixels or excessive backlight bleed or glow. Oh and it is G-Sync

 

[docsonic]

It's actually really simple. You buy a 2080ti, you check your bank statement, your eyes tear up and the image goes blured. On the otherhand, you buy a 5700XT and you dont have such problems - a crystal clear image.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

This thread just reminded me. I haven't re-calibrated my monitor since getting the 2070 super.

I usually use displayCAL is that still the go to? I have a colormunki of some description for the hardware side

 

[TNA]

This thread just reminded me. I haven't re-calibrated my monitor since getting the 2070 super.

I usually use displayCAL is that still the go to? I have a colormunki of some description for the hardware side

Yep. I use DisplayCal. Need to send them a donation, been using it for some years now and it has been brilliant. It is regularly updated.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yep. I use DisplayCal. Need to send them a donation, been using it for some years now and it has been brilliant. It is regularly updated.

Cheers for the quick reply.

Yes it's amazing software. It's one click and just wait for it to finish.

Amazing really.

I wish there was something so simple for tvs which didn't use profiles but rather tell you what settings needed adjusted in the colours advanced menu

 

[TNA]

Cheers for the quick reply.

Yes it's amazing software. It's one click and just wait for it to finish.

Amazing really.

I wish there was something so simple for tvs which didn't use profiles but rather tell you what settings needed adjusted in the colours advanced menu

I also use displaycal to adjust the monitors rgb, contrast and brightness etc. But that is the first step I assume you do this also?

Then the fun bit is running the quick report at the end and seeing everything nice and tightly calibrated reading the report

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I also use displaycal to adjust the monitors rgb, contrast and brightness etc. But that is the first step I assume you do this also?

Then the fun bit is running the quick report at the end and seeing everything nice and tightly calibrated reading the report

Yeah I have a light sensor on my calibrator too and then adjust the settings it tells me to at the initial phase. Brightness and whatever colour is too high or too low.

 

[V F]

I like to calibrate mine. I enjoy it

That's the problem. So many are used to looking at so many bad picture setups for so many years. When they see the correct setup they think it's horrible lacking richness because they've been so used to vibrant pictures.

Cheers for the quick reply.

Yes it's amazing software. It's one click and just wait for it to finish.

Amazing really.

I wish there was something so simple for tvs which didn't use profiles but rather tell you what settings needed adjusted in the colours advanced menu

https://sourceforge.net/projects/hcfr/

Geez, their new forum layout is a mess. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/index.php#/topics/1393853?page=1