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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?
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You sure?
Pretty sure. Intel’s cores are huge and pull a lot of power.
They do if you clock them high but there not so bad at lower speeds as shown with the 12600k which pulls around the same power as a 5800X with similar MT performance and while in gaming they actually pull less than AMDs CPUs.
And in terms of "should AMD be worried?" those chiplets are massively cheaper to make because the yields are so much better than monolithic cores like Intel is still using. Why should they worry about what Intel is doing when chiplets are a hugely more profitable way to make CPUs, and they can be plugged together to make many different products for different markets?
It makes no sense to follow Intel's lead, because AMD is already way ahead on the very fundamentals of how to make the CPUs of today.
Are they GPU limited in games? Because I don't know many people that buy expensive top end CPUs to run them at half utilization.
The chiplets are cheap to make which goes to show how much AMD have been ripping off customers with big price rises on the CPUs especially the 6 core which they priced at almost £300, it was embarrassing enough that the 11400F was just 10% slower for half the price and now we have the £250 12600KF which is 40-50% faster in MT workloads.
AMD has got very greedy lately not just with CPUs but GPUs aswell, take for instance the 6600 which is just 5% faster than the 5600XT yet costs 18% more money and that's at the MSRP pricing so we need competition else AMD will keep raising prices while delivering small performance increases.
Lisa Su has been building a war chest to take on Intel and Nvidia. AMD gave up on being the budget brand when their products got good, and when they realised that being cheap would always be tied in the customers' minds to being worse than Intel, even when that wasn't true.
Current world issues with logistics and manufacturing have kept prices high just because of demand outstripping supply.
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And that's a scalability problem, Intel's CPU's are ok at the lower end but they don't scale well to the high end.
Yes the 12600K may use around the same power as the 5800X, but so does the 5950X and that's 90% faster, the same 130 Watts, the 3990X is a bit over 100 Watts more and its 3 times as fast as the 5950X.....
Can you say the same for Intel?
12700K, 180 Watts at 100% performance
12900K, 260 Watts at 130% performance, 30% more performance for 45% more power
5800X, 130 watts at 100% performance
5950X, 130 watts at 190% performance
3990X, 250 Watts at 400% performance
Do you see what's going on here? AMD has the technology to scale so far beyond Intel it would make your head spin and still pull less power. factors measured in multiples not percentages.
You're focusing on the one thing you can make an argument from, and completely ignoring the bigger picture.
Yawn, how many times and how many people have been over this with you. Do you get a payment every time you say this?
So do you think nearly £300 for a 6 core bottom of the stack is good VFM in 2021 when the competition is offering 10% less performance for half the price or 40% more for the same price?
Im asking the questions here son shine.
Do you think the PC market would be better off without AMD?
Yeah but the 5950X is not the competitor of the 12600kf as its 3x the price, against its 2 closest competitors it offers 40% more performance for an extra 60w or similar performance for the same power useage.
Not at all, I think AMD have excellent CPUs but their prices for Zen 3 especially at the lower end are to high and it's starting to get embarrassing whereas for Zen 2 they got pricing spot on.
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I bought my 5600x for £215 months ago then it turned out I was owed an import deposit too and got £45 cash back. For £170 I think I got the good end of amd pricing.
Is that because Intel is giving us low prices out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they are destroying their margins as part of the marketing campaign to convince people that AL is a bargain and blunt the AMD resurgance?
And for gamers DX11. Lots and lots of DX11 goodness…
It doesn't really matter, what matters is we are getting better performance along with prices from Intel so now it's over AMD to see if they can step up and give us more for less.
What this will almost certainly mean is when Zen 4 arrives AMD will have to up core counts else they will be behind ADL on the 6 and 8 core parts in MT as even a 40% increase for zen 4 over the zen 3 5600X would mean pretty much a tie with ADL in MT and the same for the 8 core parts which won't look great.
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I think you are missing his point re scalability
I agree the low end pricing is high but if the consumer is willing to pay it then so be it, they are there to make money at the end of the day. It's not like Intel have never milked the consumer, they all do it and if i am honest i would to if i was in charge, most of us would, not sure how many would admit it though
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Do you think AMD are "ripping off customers" simply because the price of their products is higher than you think it should be?
A company should set their prices as high as they can in order to maximise their overall profitability (volume of sales x price ). Whether their product represents VFM is for the buyer to decide. For those where VFM is their #1 priority (it's not everyone's), they should go with the product that offers the best VFM. I think it's just called market forces.