AMD working with a major developer to create a never-before-seen DirectX® 11 technology.

[Rusty0611]

You have a 7950 man, what are you doing? Same model as me no doubt.

You sir, are a traitor.

No - dodgy arguments just need to be unpicked irrespective of what the argument is.

Yours falls into that category.

To be honest, I don't pretend to understand the whole arguing along AMD/nVidia lines. I find it a bit strange.

 

[humbug]

Post number 87 and I was using your post as reference and wasn't having a dig at you

I quoted it.

Your quoted article 'as far as i can tell' is about CPU Physx, CPU Physx, indeed has always been Open, its the one that does not work very well and slows the game to a crawl even on very overclocked Intel CPU's.

Those AMD users you talk about who you say want Physx, are talking about GPU Physx, the one that does not slow their game to a crawl if they turn it on or are even given a choice to turn it off.

 

[Gregster]

Cheapest 680GTX = £313

Cheapest 7950 = £220

Go figure.

680 may bench slightly higher on most TWIMTBP games, but the 7950 will leave the 680 behind at higher resolutions.

Come at me bro.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-305-SP

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-151-MS

Dat value for money bre, £140 extra for 5fps in Nvidia branded titles.

Value for money?

 

[wolvers]

It's a huge shame, what Nvidia have done with fizzx. We could 'all' have game changing physics if they'd done it the right way, and they would have been held up in high regard had they done so. I suppose it's almost as sad that AMD aren't really getting devs to use the the OpenCL physics stuff.

I wonder what the people that started Ageia think of it all now? Probably lying on a beach somewhere, spending the profits from selling it!

 

[Omaeka]

Who would want a card of that kind of power? Only a fool would run out and buy the latest tech for that price, that's why you wait, I waited with a 6850 for the 7950 to drop and it did, and it's dropped to a price point where your two 680's cost as much as almost 4 7950s yet would get left behind on resolutions higher than 1440p by a single 7950.

That isn't an insult btw, you have a very nice rig.

 

[Rusty0611]

Only a fool would run out and buy the latest tech for that price

You just insulted over half of the hardware forums!

What is good value for money is completely determined by that person's own thoughts on value for money and what they earn. Without knowing what the latter of those things is, what you have said there is a bit stupid.

Right anyway, out before the suspensions come!

 

[Omaeka]

Good idea!

So that new DX11 tech eh, think they'll share it with Nvidia?

 

[Gregster]

Who would want a card of that kind of power? Only a fool would run out and buy the latest tech for that price, that's why you wait, I waited with a 6850 for the 7950 to drop and it did, and it's dropped to a price point where your two 680's cost as much as almost 4 7950s yet would get left behind on resolutions higher than 1440p by a single 7950.

That isn't an insult btw, you have a very nice rig.

Good for you. My 680's DID cost as much as 4 7950's but that was my choice. The same as you chose to wait for the 7950 to become cheaper was your choice.

I had to explain the basics of how a video card worked to you yesterday and now you are an expert and tell me what I should and shouldn't buy.

Grow up.

 

[humbug]

AMD GPU's started out just as expensive, Omaeka. the difference really is Nvidia have not really dropped their prices, so yes Nvidia are always more expensive in the end but AMD would charge just as much if they had that kind of market share.

There is lays the problem, Nvidia charge what they do because they know they can.

 

[Omaeka]

Good for you. My 680's DID cost as much as 4 7950's but that was my choice. The same as you chose to wait for the 7950 to become cheaper was your choice.

I had to explain the basics of how a video card worked to you yesterday and now you are an expert and tell me what I should and shouldn't buy.

Grow up.

Not telling you anything . You tried to argue that AMD aren't the best value for money, well I'm sorry mate, but they are.

AMD GPU's started out just as expensive, Omaeka. the difference really is Nvidia have not really dropped their prices, so yes Nvidia are always more expensive in the end but AMD would charge just as much if they had that kind of market share.

There is lays the problem, Nvidia charge what they do because they know they can.

Due to people having no sense of money at all, there is no way to justify buying a Nvidia card over an AMD card of the same tier, even if the Nvidia is more powerful, it's by a few frames per second and 10 notes more.

Anyway, the topic needs to get back on track.

 

[ALXAndy]

Nvidia cards are more expensive for a reason.

They invest into more technologies than AMD do and have been doing so for years.

IMO the only choice you have in 3D is Nvidia. They actively invest in it every day and it shows. 3Dvision, even on passive is light years ahead of AMD's offering which is to palm you off onto (IMO) a bunch of amateurs.

Then there's Physx. Like it or not they have had to pay out for it. Then CUDA which is used by a lot of professional apps as well as folding and so on.

It's kind of like comparing a BMW mini to something like that little Kia. Sure they both get you to the same place and pretty much get you there in the same space of time, but one has had far more spent on the R&D.

AMD's way of doing things is rather crude. If you are a bit slap happy then an AMD card would be more than enough and they can be had for good prices right now. However, simply dismissing the real reasons Nvidia cards cost more is rather daft.

AMD's prices wouldn't even be where they are if it were not for Nvidia. People seem to forget that the sole reason they can pick up a 7950 so cheaply is down to Nvidia.

I recall being around here when AMD released the 79xx cards. People weren't so quick to lick their boots then !

As for drivers improving the 79xx cards? well right back at ya. Last night I put the latest drivers on my GTX 670 and was able to pass a 10k GPU score in 3dmark11 and add nearly two thousand points to my overall score (from 7700 odd to 9000 odd).

 

[tommybhoy]

Introducing effects which they know don't run well on the comparative nVidia cards. It's the same thing just not as sneaky/obvious. It's not like they've introduced them as a show of altruism - it's to make their cards look like they're performing amazingly. Fair play - I don't have a problem with it... I'm just pointing out that it's hardly a 1 sided phenomena.

^

Cough, extreme AA on Sleeping Dogs; cough advanced lighting on Dirt Showdown, cough.

Not a copy and paste scenario but effectively the same thing.

Not really, they aren't forced on the user a la heavy tessellated concrete blocks/invisible water.

They are optional, and AMD should be commended on not forcing it through Nvidia gpu's.

When Nvidia release a true(unstripped) high end gpu, it will perform comparably as GCN probably as the compute parts will take advantage of the features the same way AMD's compute takes advantage.

Dirt 3 performed better on Nvidia last gen, they would have made sure it wouldn't if they really wanted too.

Last gen Nvidia were the daddy at compute, this gen they stripped it out, that's not AMD's fault, again, AMD titles don't force it on the competitions hardware.


Nvidia have stripped working AA to work on AMD out of a title after the demo had it enabled, they demanded DX10.1 to be patched out of AC after it was added in a previous patch as Nvidia didn't support 10.1.

How many other things have they done?

nVidia are the bad guys on this forum though so that point tends to get shouted down!

It's a bit self inflicted really, because they are sneaky to an extent like PhysX -open source as long as there is no AMD enabled gpu in your rig-but I do understand why from a business pov as Nvidia support would have a torrid, torrid time with clueless users:

After the tenth correspondence via email/ticket- the user decides to inform that he is running gfx with AMD, he forgot to mention that the previous nine times.


They have went way, way, way too expensive this gen in comparison to last gen and taking advantage(polite way to say it) of customers/brand awareness, some of their customers are going red creating more AMD fanboys on the forum.

AMD were very expensive too, but they dropped prices ages ago.



@gregg, dof can't be disabled afaik in off the record where as it could on the original-a known problem in this game with AMD.

I don't know if it's a definite Nvidia endorsed title though, but omaeka might have an argument.

@Omaeka, that pic is questionable to say the least, in my book anyway, there are ways to argue your point, this isn't one of them



Andy's back.

 

[Gregster]

Not telling you anything . You tried to argue that AMD aren't the best value for money, well I'm sorry mate, but they are.




Due to people having no sense of money at all, there is no way to justify buying a Nvidia card over an AMD card of the same tier, even if the Nvidia is more powerful, it's by a few frames per second and 10 notes more.

Anyway, the topic needs to get back on track.

No no, I tried to tell you that Nvidia didn't gimp that game and you resorted to posting Hitler pictures/calling Nvidia scum and anything else you could to prove your point. You provided no evidence to back your claims and turned very childish with pathetic comments.

For the same reason as Rusty (suspension), I am deffo finished.

 

[Martini1991]

Could have swore you were pro AMD a few months ago Andy.

 

[Martini1991]

Not really, they aren't forced on the user a la heavy tessellated concrete blocks/invisible water.

I wasn't aware you had to have tessellation maxed on Crysis 2, it's not like all of that dodgy tessellation disappears when you're using an Nvidia card either.

 

[ALXAndy]

Could have swore you were pro AMD a few months ago Andy.

I don't recall having a single nice thing to say about my 7970. I do recall wanting to cut it into small pieces with a selection of power tools though.

Mind you I will praise where it is due, the 58xx series were their crowning moment IMO.

79xx has been pure fail for so many reasons.

 

[Martini1991]

I don't recall having a single nice thing to say about my 7970. I do recall wanting to cut it into small pieces with a selection of power tools though.

Mind you I will praise where it is due, the 58xx series were their crowning moment IMO.

79xx has been pure fail for so many reasons.

Then you've got poor memory.

 

[humbug]

@ ALXAndy, Your right Nvidia paid a lot of money for 3D and Physx, so they even have the right to keep that to themselves, and if your happy to pay extra for that then more power to you.


AMD simply do things diffrently, they work with developers just as much as Nvidia, the difference is when they do it for the benefit of everyone.
They also tend to develop Open Source technology at their own expense.

Whatever anyone's take on that is, those are the differences.

 

[Martini1991]

Wish AMD would take a more pro active role in 3D.

 

[Omaeka]

@ ALXAndy, You right Nvidia paid a lot of money for 3D and Physx, so they even have the right to keep that to themselves, and if your happy to pay extra for that then more power to you.


AMD simply do things diffrently, they work with developers just as much as Nvidia, the difference is when they do it for the benefit of everyone.
They also tend to develop Open Source technology at their own expense.

Whatever anyone's take on that is, those are the differences.

+1000

AMD aren't in the same position with GPU's that they are in CPU's either.

You can justify £100 more on an i5 and a IB board, as the extra performance over what AMD have to offer for that performance level is worth it, but you can't justify £100 more on a Nvidia card when AMD do it exactly the same.