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By tuning, tinkering and stressing, you know, what comes with overclocking..
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Any consensus yet on the best RAM for a 3800x/3900x?
Currently considering: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html
Currently considering: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html
Memory scaling isn't an issue like it was with Zen 1. You can save yourself half the money and get some 3200CL16 stuff. I went with some Micron Ballistix Sport LT, has some OC headroom too.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/
Hello and greetings from Germany.
Guys i think fast RAM will not bringt the boost we are hoping for with Zen2.
With my Zen+ System i could get massive FPS improvements (up to ~50% in SotTR 2133vs 3600 tuned RAM) etc, but Zen 2 is different i think.
Have a look at this: https://www.sweclockers.com/test/27868-test-ryzen-9-3900x-och-core-i9-9900k-i-overklockat-lage
or this: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/3.html
I have ordered a Zen 2 CPU too which will arrive tomorrow, but like i said, i dont see massive tuning potential with Zen 2. They are out of the box great, no question, Power Consumption is great, price is great too, but for people who wants to get massive improvements via tuning...
If you unervolt the f.e. 9900k so that it does not suck a lot of juice and give it fast RAM, it will be a great opponent to Zen2, or am i wrong?
Will further updates maybe change anything? Sry if my english was not great to understand.
I wish everyone a great night and happy times with their new systems.
Guys i think fast RAM will not bringt the boost we are hoping for with Zen2.
With my Zen+ System i could get massive FPS improvements (up to ~50% in SotTR 2133vs 3600 tuned RAM) etc, but Zen 2 is different i think.
Have a look at this: https://www.sweclockers.com/test/27868-test-ryzen-9-3900x-och-core-i9-9900k-i-overklockat-lage
or this: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/3.html
I have ordered a Zen 2 CPU too which will arrive tomorrow, but like i said, i dont see massive tuning potential with Zen 2. They are out of the box great, no question, Power Consumption is great, price is great too, but for people who wants to get massive improvements via tuning...
If you unervolt the f.e. 9900k so that it does not suck a lot of juice and give it fast RAM, it will be a great opponent to Zen2, or am i wrong?
Will further updates maybe change anything? Sry if my english was not great to understand.
I wish everyone a great night and happy times with their new systems.
Soldato
It pretty much like running an Intel system now, I threw some junk Hynix 2666MHz RAM (2x 16GB) in with the 3600 test sample I have today, and it was working at 3200 C15, and 3533 C17, 3600MHZ was not stable at all, but it is only rated at 2666MHz, so expecting almost an extra 1000MHz from garbage RAM is not realistic.
Chasing RAM speeds, and latency is a foolish now as it seems there is almost no benefit, 2-3% from 3000MHz C16 to 3600MHz C17/3200MHz C14. Feel bad for the people spending loads more money for nothing at all.
It is a massive improvement, I'd like to see more evidence and my 5960X scores 53.7 on that same benchmark so finally Zen 2 is faster in Arma 3
five years later by 6% or so. I'm pleased for that result as it means AMD have caught Haswell and are likely pushing past Skylake now/soon.
I'd be buying one if I wasn't on 8 cores already.
Soldato
I think you need to learn how CPU IPC works, or just remain ignorant, whichever really.
Yep I've seen, waiting for more results to come in but that looks very promising. That's 28% on where it was with respect to 2700X
but only marginally better than my current CPU because AMD were so far behind. Great result nevertheless.
Did I mention IPC? I'm referring to total performance for the end user.
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That is great to hear ..
Soldato
Total performance is not reflected by a single game with a terrible, terrible game engine with optimisation that could be done better by a primary school pupil.
I'm not denying the game engine is archaic, I'm not disputing that things could be different however that doesn't account for AMD CPUs being seemingly unable to perform in this game until now. All the AI is on pretty much a single thread and the core game engine dates from before multi-core CPUs nearly 20 years ago. I'd have thought that was plenty of time for AMD and if the optimisation could be done better by a primary school pupil don't you imagine it would have been done by now for the price of a couple of cans of pop or McDonald's?
If I was doing productivity work, video editing etc I'd buy Zen 2 3900X or 3800X but I'm not. Even Steve at gamers Nexus said the same, buy Zen if you use your PC for work (content creation etc) and gaming it will be OK but if it's ONLY for gaming then 9900K is still the way to go.
If 3800X/3900X were maintaining 4.8Ghz with 2 or 3 cores consistently I'd buy 3900X tomorrow but the clockspeed deficit and failure to maintain advertised clocks precludes that.
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Eek! the new "AMD Ryzen Balanced plan" customised for AMD Ryzen processors in power options.
Check under.... advanced power settings/processor power management/minimum processor state.
mine is now set at 90%,... the usual windows balanced plan minimum was 10%.
That can't be right for sure?
Check under.... advanced power settings/processor power management/minimum processor state.
mine is now set at 90%,... the usual windows balanced plan minimum was 10%.
That can't be right for sure?
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It is right, zen 2 sleeps cores that aren't in use automatically rather than dropping the processor state.
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On the old Ryzen still, so I'll swap it back to the old balanced plan 
Soldato
Is there any incentive for the game developers to optimise the engine any further for the niche users it now has? As for AMD processors performing in the game, I doubt they care enough to ask the developer to sort it out, as it isn't their issue, it's like people blaming them for the Windows scheduler problems when Microsoft were the ones in the driving seat there.
You specifically said total performance to the end user, and every game, operating system, utility, or application will perform differently on a different platform, some for the worse and some for the better.
So you didn't mean total performance to the end user, you meant performance in a small sub-section of gaming titles.
Yes you've caught me bang to rights I didn't specify I meant total performance in this game....silly me.
I'm only interested in this one game as all my others are fine as is everything else on my PC. In my specific use case AMD hasn't and probably won't ever make sense as an upgrade as I'm in the realm of marginal gains. Also the game engine is pretty much fine now as in frame rates are acceptable thanks to numerous patches and optimisations in the last five years so the point is pretty moot now. I can get 50-60fps in multiplayer with enormous view distances which is very playable. I just wish I could see a convincing reason for an upgrade as I want a new toy.
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