AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[4K8KW10]

So, after all, the 12-core 65W Ryzen is about to come?

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-3500-ryzen-7-3700-ryzen-9-3900-65w-cpus-spotted/
AMD Ryzen 5 3500 CPU Shows Up, A 6 Core, 65W TDP, Budget Option For Around $179 US – Ryzen 9 3900 12 Core With 65W TDP Also Listed

 

[chrcoluk]

No idea, its running on my test bench with the Wraith Max cooling it (making a right racket as well), 3000C16 RAM from my wifes machine with no tuning beyond XMP, no bios changes and running on a boot drive that is from my old X99 machine (not reformatted) with no manual shutdown of background processes. Only running as is to test if the beta drivers allow Destiny 2 to work (they do).

Just checked, KitGuru scored 209 so seems in line given the above.

your ram latency may explain it possibly, or maybe the score I am looking at isnt all that meets the eye sort of thing.

 

[oweneades]

your ram latency may explain it possibly, or maybe the score I am looking at isnt all that meets the eye sort of thing.

Quite possibly.

My actual RAM is some of the 8Pack 3200C14 stuff which seems to run fine at 3600C14 (or could have been C16 it has been a while).

I am looking forward to finally getting the 3900x setup in my actual main machine with proper cooling. Just need to finish benchmarking the 2700x (well waiting for games to download so I can benchmark it...lol).

 

[DragonQ]

So, after all, the 12-core 65W Ryzen is about to come?

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-3500-ryzen-7-3700-ryzen-9-3900-65w-cpus-spotted/
AMD Ryzen 5 3500 CPU Shows Up, A 6 Core, 65W TDP, Budget Option For Around $179 US – Ryzen 9 3900 12 Core With 65W TDP Also Listed

A second 12 core would be nice, I was certainly put off the price of the R9 3900X after originally wanting the 12 core. A third 6 core part though? Seems pointless and too many SKUs confuses the market.

 

[4K8KW10]

A second 12 core would be nice, I was certainly put off the price of the R9 3900X after originally wanting the 12 core. A third 6 core part though? Seems pointless and too many SKUs confuses the market.

But they need to place the salvage, worst dies somehow.

 

[michty_me]

It would just be nice to be able to get the existing 12 core first.

 

[Yaayuh!]

It would just be nice to be able to get the existing 12 core first.

Amen to that.

 

[Panos]

AMD filled a series of interesting patents the last month that were completely missed, paving the way for the next gen of CPUs & APUs.

Patent: Scheduling memory requests for a ganged memory device - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190196721.pdf

Patent: System and method for increasing address generation operations per cycle - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190196839.pdf

Patent: Single Instruction Multiple Data page table walk scheduling at input output memory management unit - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190196978.pdf

Patent: Dynamic per-bank and all-bank refresh - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190196987.pdf

Patent: Dynamically determining memory access burst length - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190196996.pdf

Patent: Method and apparatus for controlling cache line storage in cache memory - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190205253.pdf

Patent: Input-Output Processing on a Remote Integrated Circuit Chip
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190205492.pdf

Patent: Method and apparatus for controlling power consumption of an integrated circuit
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190204902.pdf

Patent: Using Islands to Control Operating Parameters for Functional Blocks in an Electronic Device - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10340916.pdf

Patent: Cancel and replay protocol scheme to improve ordered bandwidth - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190205280.pdf

Patent: System-wide low power management - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190204899.pdf

Patent: Anti-resonance structure for dampening die package resonance - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10355661.pdf

Patent: Near-memory hardened compute blocks for configurable computing substrates - AMD
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190220426.pdf

Patent: Adaptive DCO VF curve slope control
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190229736.pdf

Interesting....

 

[Zeed]

Hello guys, i m new here but been following this thread.
I upgraded 3 days ago from my i7 6700k to :
ryzen 3900x
asus strix x570 f-gaming
kraken x62 with noctua fans on it
ADATA xpg spectrix d60g 2c8gb 3200cl16.

My pbo boost all cores to around 4100 and single core to around 4275. No matter what i tinker in the bios its the same, what is weird is i did a manual OC and was able to get all 4350mhz @1.28v fully stable with aida64 stability test for many hours and temps were 68-69c.
Its clearly a bios or software issue with pbo since thw cpu can go higher while using lower voltage.
And please if u can help, i m not really an expert with ryzen and ddr4, is the kit i got good for 3900x , if not can anyone tell me what should i get if money is no issue, just the best i can get to complement ryzen 3900x.

Thank you a lot , this thread been very helpful .

and thats why i consider this auto oc on 3900 total crap you are better off with 4350 all core. You gain lower temperatures and faster cpu in basically everything besides single core benchmarks.

 

[DragonQ]

and thats why i consider this auto oc on 3900 total crap you are better off with 4350 all core. You gain lower temperatures and faster cpu in basically everything besides single core benchmarks.

I suppose it's worth actually checking core frequencies during different tasks. I know that Overwatch scales over cores very well so all of my cores are within a small frequency envelope (4.2-4.25 GHz with the latest UEFI). However, IIRC Cities: Skylines only heavily loads 2 cores so I should do some HWInfo records to see if those two cores are running at or near 4.4 GHz.

 

[Zeed]

If it goes for this Core boosting. I tested all my cores 1 by one and worst one was hittign 4300 MAximum stable on ycruncher and best was hitting 4400. Same volts 3 reruns on each core on each 25mhz increse.

On Zen 1 and Zen + we had tool that was testing quality of cores sadly does not work for zen 2

 

[Skynet5]

No, as always it will put the most important work load on the fastest core, the end result is the same as everyother CPU, that's why this is a nothing story blown out of proportion.

Thanks for the info.

 

[DragonQ]

If it goes for this Core boosting. I tested all my cores 1 by one and worst one was hittign 4300 MAximum stable on ycruncher and best was hitting 4400. Same volts 3 reruns on each core on each 25mhz increse.

On Zen 1 and Zen + we had tool that was testing quality of cores sadly does not work for zen 2

Is this just by setting core affinity for a single threaded application?

 

[PiKe]

Forgive me for not reading though hundreds of pages, but which boards have guaranteed 3000 support? Is it a specific chipset, or boards with the bios flashback option?

 

[DragonQ]

Forgive me for not reading though hundreds of pages, but which boards have guaranteed 3000 support? Is it a specific chipset, or boards with the bios flashback option?

Out of the box? Either an X570 board or an older board with a "Ryzen 3000 Ready" sticker on it. Otherwise you'll need to update the BIOS, which requires either USB Flashback support (most MSI boards & Asus Crosshair only), or an older CPU. Some retailers will update the BIOS for you before shipping if you ask, or you can request a free "boot kit" loan from AMD but that probably takes a while to ship.

 

[an0nym0us]

We diagnosed and resolved the issue causing software monitoring tools to report high voltages and clockspeeds at the desktop with 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors and the Windows® 10 May 2019 Update. Our analysis indicates that certain pieces of popular software, which are widely considered to be “low CPU load” applications, frequently make indirect requests for the highest performance and power state from the processor.Third Gen Ryzen is designed to be extremely responsive to requests for higher performance, and this has led to some of the anomalous behavior observed with high voltages and clockspeeds in monitoring utilities. Our solution is to adjust the AMD Ryzen Balanced power plan to address these cases under light loads, without changing the processor’s ability to respond to sustained workloads like games and content creation.

The solution is immediately available for download in a new chipset driver (version 1.07.29), including an updated AMD Ryzen Balanced power plan that delivers the fix. Users of previous generation AMD Ryzen™ Products do not need this plan, and the chipset driver installer will not provide it.

So you can see these changes in action, AMD Ryzen Master is also updated with new voltage and temperature reporting methodologies that more realistically demonstrate CPU behavior. Version 2.0.0.1233 (or later) reflects these changes and is now available for download as well.

Chipset Driver 1.07.29 also contains a beta workaround that resolves Destiny 2 application launch issues. This will ensure Destiny 2 players can immediately get back into the game.

https://community.amd.com/community...te-5-let-s-talk-clocks-voltages-and-destiny-2

 

[alec]

Nothing about boost clocks or reason of WHEA errors
Meh

 

[MegaPinches]

Regarding chipset drivers for ryzen 3000, when you search them through AMD under chipset drivers selecting your CPU you just end up with a link for Ryzen Master? ive not installed chipset drivers for a decade, do you need to grab these for ryzen then? or will windows next update have them anyway?

 

[opethdisciple]

Regarding chipset drivers for ryzen 3000, when you search them through AMD under chipset drivers selecting your CPU you just end up with a link for Ryzen Master? ive not installed chipset drivers for a decade, do you need to grab these for ryzen then? or will windows next update have them anyway?

It's under chipsets: https://www.amd.com/en/support

Also yes. Install them, don't rely on Windows.

 

[an0nym0us]

Nothing about boost clocks or reason of WHEA errors
Meh

Not sure if this sufficiently answers your queries on the WHEA errors:

And, on a final note, new BIOSes based on the impending AGESA 1003ABB will also resolve the “Event 17, WHEA-Logger” warnings in the Windows Event Log. These warnings indicate that the system successfully corrected a trivial error in a data packet sent between two PCI Express® devices. PCIe devices can transmit thousands of packets per second, and it is typical for a few of them to require a correction or retry. As such, it is customary to suppress these unhelpful/routine messages in the log to limit the error reporting scope to errors that require attention and action. AGESA 1003ABB will make that change.

https://community.amd.com/servlet/J...1-124770/Community_Update5_Detailed_Brief.pdf