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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

In the pre Ryzen world were Intel regularly releasing CPU microcode in the same way AMD are?

I don't remember hearing Intel doing so.

I mean releasing BIOS updates is one thing, but AMD are delivering more than just BIOS updates here.
 
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Intel did periodically release microcode updates, but not as frequently as AMD have been recently. Given the new architecture vs one that is very mature overall that's perhaps not surprising, I remember more microcode and BIOS updates in the Sandy etc era when the platform was newer.
 
opethdisciple said:
In the pre Ryzen world were Intel regularly releasing CPU microcode in the same way AMD are?

I don't remember hearing Intel doing so.

I mean releasing BIOS updates is one thing, but AMD are delivering more than just BIOS updates here.
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You are correct, they didn't. The platform i had before Ryzen was X58, the first release of the 920 simply speaking was rubbish. Intel gave us a few bios updates, but it didn't sort the issues until they released an updated CPU along with a microde and bios update. I was an early adopter to X58 and well remember all the early issues until it came right and on song.
 
kitfit1 said:
You are correct, they didn't. The platform i had before Ryzen was X58, the first release of the 920 simply speaking was rubbish. Intel gave us a few bios updates, but it didn't sort the issues until they released an updated CPU along with a microde and bios update. I was an early adopter to X58 and well remember all the early issues until it came right and on song.
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Yes. I remember when I had my 3570k. After about a year Gigabyte stopped updating my mobo bios.

I felt abandoned.

Here we are 3 years on from Ryzen's launched an x370 is still on the latest AGESA that AMD are providing.
 
opethdisciple said:
In the pre Ryzen world were Intel regularly releasing CPU microcode in the same way AMD are?

I don't remember hearing Intel doing so.

I mean releasing BIOS updates is one thing, but AMD are delivering more than just BIOS updates here.
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Intel hasn't changed the mainstream architecture since Sandybridge 9 years ago, everything was ironed out over the years but many vividly remember the issues taking whole year for Intel to fix.
Also last year alone Intel had to release 3-4 microcode patches to resolve Spectre etc vulnerabilities.

The Zen 2 is brand new tech from ground up, similarly Zen 3 next year is another ground up new architecture. Things need time to get patched or even found that exist.
 
Panos said:
LOL. You forgot Zen2 aren't monolithic dies any more, but having their I/O stripped and placed outside, while cache is been shifted around among other things?
That's a huge drastic change, similarly to the SMT4 with the next Zen3.
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I also think that the Zen 2 architecture is not brand new. There are some parts that are widened, but you mix the uncore (cIOd) changes with the CCX architecture.
Zen 3 would probably change the CCX architecture, with capacity to handle double the threads per core.

Original Zen die shot:

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Zen 2 uncore changes:

Zen-2-c-IOd.png
 
More bad news - the iPhone 11 is selling well above expectations - so Apple has told TSMC to increase production for A13 chips, Apple has ordered another 8 million A13 7nm chips

Apple is a priority customer for TSMC so they always get first go at stock.

this means AMD and Nvidia will now be fighting for scraps of whatever left over 7nm wafers don't get eaten up by Apple

be prepared for even more 7nm stock issues

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-increasing-iphone-11-production-a13-7nm-tsmc-amd,40553.html
 
Grim5 said:
More bad news - the iPhone 11 is selling well above expectations - so Apple has told TSMC to increase production for A13 chips, Apple has ordered another 8 million A13 7nm chips

Apple is a priority customer for TSMC so they always get first go at stock.

this means AMD and Nvidia will now be fighting for scraps of whatever left over 7nm wafers don't get eaten up by Apple

be prepared for even more 7nm stock issues

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-increasing-iphone-11-production-a13-7nm-tsmc-amd,40553.html
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Apple's A13 is on another process, as far as I can see. It is 7nm+, while Zen 2 and Navi is on the pure 7nm.
 
Grim5 said:
More bad news - the iPhone 11 is selling well above expectations - so Apple has told TSMC to increase production for A13 chips, Apple has ordered another 8 million A13 7nm chips

Apple is a priority customer for TSMC so they always get first go at stock.

this means AMD and Nvidia will now be fighting for scraps of whatever left over 7nm wafers don't get eaten up by Apple

be prepared for even more 7nm stock issues

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-increasing-iphone-11-production-a13-7nm-tsmc-amd,40553.html
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Nvidia isn't on 7nm yet. And when it would be next year, it would be manufactured by Samsung.
Also A13 is on different node than AMD.
 
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