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MegaPinches said:
Tomahawk max 1.0.0.4 bios available, fixed the blank screen upon waking from sleep issue. No changed in R20 scores though, few points lower actually, all core boost 3.97ghz on 3600. Boot times longer for me by 8 seconds, 19sec now 27sec.

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EDIT: One thing I noticed, my r20 scores used to vary a lot, I would sometimes get 3550 and quite a few times had 3630, and everything in between. Now I get 3600-3605 everytime.

Least it works now for sleep mode
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What is up with MSI boards or is this problem with sleep function specific to your type of motherboard? I have two Asus boards and never had issue with sleep mode with every BIOS dating back more than two years.

Just recently purchased a MSI A320M and it does not seem to have this issue when i tested it using the ram from my other Ryzen rig. Its BIOS is from January of this year. Two clicks in the BIOS and the RAM ran at 3200 CL16 using DOCP.
 
Orange Nexus said:
What is up with MSI boards or is this problem with sleep function specific to your type of motherboard? I have two Asus boards and never had issue with sleep mode with BIOS dating back more than two years.

Just recently purchased a MSI A320M and it does not seem to have this issue when i tested it using the ram from my other Ryzen rig. It's BIOS is from January of this year. Two clicks in the BIOS and the RAM ran at 3200 CL16 using DOCP.
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I think it was a bug unique to the tomahawk max 330 bios, I read they noticed straight away and fixed with a beta, but ive been waiting for proper 340 bios. It would wake up from sleep, blank screen then crash and reboot sometimes having to pull power cord to get it to reboot. For ages I was thinking my system was crashing when I left it on all day.
 
MegaPinches said:
I think it was a bug unique to the tomahawk max 330 bios, I read they noticed straight away and fixed with a beta, but ive been waiting for proper 340 bios. It would wake up from sleep, blank screen then crash and reboot sometimes having to pull power cord to get it to reboot. For ages I was thinking my system was crashing when I left it on all day.
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That is just a failure in QA. These first impressions are what's hurting the image of AMD despite their wonderful products. Same thing happened to the NAVIs. Unbelievable.
 
Orange Nexus said:
That is just a failure in QA. These first impressions are what's hurting the image of AMD despite their wonderful products. Same thing happened to the NAVIs. Unbelievable.
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I'm not super impressed with the new build tbh, I know its early days but ive had endless problems with this board, still got all these latency issues with absolutely **** poor sound popping, stuttering and stretching out and just all round sounding really bad. Same codec as my intel system which never missed a beat in years and booted in under 10secs. Lots of times won't boot and have to pull power, i'm not new to building systems either, doing it 18 years.
 
Orange Nexus said:
That is just a failure in QA. These first impressions are what's hurting the image of AMD despite their wonderful products. Same thing happened to the NAVIs. Unbelievable.
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Yeah, it is a shame. QA was a lot better on my Haswell system, it just worked. AMD gear seems to need a lot more troubleshooting and tweaking. It might be fun for some of us, but majority will not want that.
 
MegaPinches said:
I'm not super impressed with the new build tbh, I know its early days but ive had endless problems with this board, still got all these latency issues with absolutely **** poor sound popping, stuttering and stretching out and just all round sounding really bad. Same codec as my intel system which never missed a beat in years and booted in under 10secs. Lots of times won't boot and have to pull power, i'm not new to building systems either, doing it 18 years.
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Those issues do not exist on my Asus boards as well. If i knew this before i bought my only MSI board i would have picked a different brand. Those MAx were highly anticipated.
 
TNA said:
Yeah, it is a shame. QA was a lot better on my Haswell system, it just worked. AMD gear seems to need a lot more troubleshooting and tweaking. It might be fun for some of us, but majority will not want that.
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Yea I can imagine if you not into tweaking you would be doing your nut by now, I don't mind but had enough now, been non stop in my spare time for a week trying to get everything running smooth.

I will be changing to asrock/asus board when b550 comes out.
 
MegaPinches said:
Yea I can imagine if you not into tweaking you would be doing your nut by now, I don't mind but had enough now, been non stop in my spare time for a week trying to get everything running smooth.

I will be changing to asrock/asus board when b550 comes out.
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With Zen 2 being their 3rd outing with Zen you would think they would have got it right by now. I think until they get a lot more cash rich and have the resources to deal with this stuff it will not change.
 
I might be being unfair on MSI, but it seems to me there seem to have the most buggy platform. After hearing about issues with the B450 Tomahawk upgrades and then bringing out the Max, I couldn't bring myself to recommend these boards for a friend who was building a new machine with a only a 3600x. Because I didn't want him to run into issues, I just told him, to get a ASUS x570 Prime and be done with it. He plugged it all in and works minimal fuss. MSI bring out there new bios faster than anybody else, which great but, they seem buggy.
 
I have two friends running Ryzen 3000 on MSI B450 based boards, both having countless issues with BSOD crashes and general windows crashes and freezes and having issues getting XMP to work or coming out of suspend and crashing. No issues from my mates Asus x370 and no issues so far from my ASRock x470 (other than they are slow AF to bring out BIOS updates...).
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
I have two friends running Ryzen 3000 on MSI B450 based boards, both having countless issues with BSOD crashes and general windows crashes and freezes and having issues getting XMP to work or coming out of suspend and crashing. No issues from my mates Asus x370 and no issues so far from my ASRock x470 (other than they are slow AF to bring out BIOS updates...).
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The new AGESA BIOS's for X570's came out today from ASROck (beta) so hopefully older chipsets wont be too far behind as they skipped ABBA for X470 didn't they?
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
I have two friends running Ryzen 3000 on MSI B450 based boards, both having countless issues with BSOD crashes and general windows crashes and freezes and having issues getting XMP to work or coming out of suspend and crashing. No issues from my mates Asus x370 and no issues so far from my ASRock x470 (other than they are slow AF to bring out BIOS updates...).
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I have an issue aside from all my normal crappy sound popping and stuttering issues I get a more pronounced longer buzz like it's on cusp of crashing when monitor has gone to sleep playing music and waking it up with mouse. Its like having hardware from 10 years ago.

I said earlier my boot times were up to 27secs with new bios, ive now had machine powered off for few hours now booting around 15seconds, 3 secs faster than the best with last bios. I suppose thats something, roll on b550
 
The AMD AGESA 1.0.0.4 B is out for my mobo also, but the link is dead. Server must be getting hammered or something.
 
Woodsta888 said:
The new AGESA BIOS's for X570's came out today from ASROck (beta) so hopefully older chipsets wont be too far behind as they skipped ABBA for X470 didn't they?
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Yeah, they skipped it for the x470 for some reason. I believe the tried to justify it being basically not worth the effort as it doesn't really give anything worthwhile... which I'm not sure I buy really. ASRock seem pretty p!$$ poor at delivering consistent product updates, unless you're on their latest and greatest board (which at the time I was!). Great board other than that, but I can see why people pay the Asus tax premium for their top boards.

I have the BETA x470 Taichi/Master already, I downloaded it from a german site, but not bothered to try it and think that I'll just wait for the proper one and hopefully that fixes my one and only current issue of high idle voltages.
 
MegaPinches said:
I have an issue aside from all my normal crappy sound popping and stuttering issues I get a more pronounced longer buzz like it's on cusp of crashing when monitor has gone to sleep playing music and waking it up with mouse. Its like having hardware from 10 years ago.

I said earlier my boot times were up to 27secs with new bios, ive now had machine powered off for few hours now booting around 15seconds, 3 secs faster than the best with last bios. I suppose thats something, roll on b550
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None of that sounds like anything you should have to put up with, it's frustrating as hell having issues like that, who QA's these things??? Problem is that it puts you off the whole AMD platform and whilst I've been a bit luckier, if any family member or friend was buying a PC, unless they were tech savvy, I'd never recommend an AMD (currently).
 
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KungFuSpaghetti said:
None of that sounds like anything you should have to put up with, it's frustrating as hell having issues like that, who QA's these things??? Problem is that it puts you off the whole AMD platform and whilst I've been a bit luckier, if any family member or friend was buying a PC, unless they were tech savvy, I'd never recommend an AMD (currently).
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Reading that other people got bunch issues i'm half tempted to just splash out on x570 now, b550 is ages away it seems. Was going to buy a nice 970 evo plus today to compliment it but since I got all these issues its pointless. I don't like to send it back to OC I mean its not thier fault MSI is ****, I might flog it used but I feel for the person buying it. It might just be my combination of hardware that the MSI board dislikes, it had issues with my gigabyte 580 I had to update vbios but I still get things happening that never would have happened on my last system. Toggling AMD overlay will crash games if they are loading, that never happened before, I always toggle it on when game is loading, I read on MSI forums that MSI boards don't like gigabyte GPU's much, really?

Ive never bought MSI before, always had asus and asrock, just seemed like the smart buy at time.

I'm not one to find little faults either, ive genuinely got a list long as my arm, this board is crap
 
MegaPinches said:
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Reading that other people got bunch issues i'm half tempted to just splash out on x570 now, b550 is ages away it seems. Was going to buy a nice 970 evo plus today to compliment it but since I got all these issues its pointless. I don't like to send it back to OC I mean its not there fault MSI is ****, I might flog it used but I feel for the person buying it. It might just be my combination of hardware that the MSI board dislikes, it had issues with my gigabyte 580 I had to update vbios but I still get things happening that never would have happened on my last system. Toggling AMD overlay will crash games if they are loading, that never happened before, I always toggle it on when game is loading, I read on MSI forums that MSI boards don't like gigabyte GPU's much, really?

Ive never bought MSI before, always had asus and asrock, just seemed like the smart buy at time.
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I'd argue that the board is faulty, as every issue you've described are things that should not happen. Even if this is down to bad BIOS, it's still faulty however you slice it and as a consumer you shouldn't have to wait for a fix to come out via a BIOS release if it renders the PC unusable.

I would speak to OCUK and see if you can return it and get a refund to trade up to a mid range x570 or x470 (I'd go x470 if prices had come down... but they don't appear to have budged).
 
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