AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Orange Nexus]

"Summer 2019" probably means we'll be waiting until Q3, unless the CPUs come out before the motherboards but that seems unlikely IMO.


I'd forgotten that RAM speed doesn't affect Cinebench as much as some other applications. It's not that surprising now.

I gained 30 points from 3266 to 3466 in Cine15. 1871 to 1900. It's like OC'ing the cpu 100 MHz more.

 

[KentMan]

So we have an unknown speed midrange AMD Ryzen CPU with 2666mhz ram beating a stock boosting to 4.7ghz 9900k.... oh dear Intel

Can only imagine the pasting the 9900k is going to get from a final clocked mid range (3600X) with 3200mhz+ Ram (this is basing on current support, not sure if Zen2 IMC will be better)

This could end up looking very ugly for Intel.

 

[Journey]

This could end up looking very ugly for Intel.

It already is, Intel have confirmed 14nm shortages until well in to Q2 now and the only 10nm parts are going to be laptop SKU's in Q4 '19, with nothing for desktop due until 2020.

AMD have a clear shot at being a performance leader for the time since the mid 00's in all aspects, and across several market places. The impact of Zen2, in EPYC, TR3. Ryzen 3xxx will have can only be descried as staggering.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

I gained 30 points from 3266 to 3466 in Cine15. 1871 to 1900. It's like OC'ing the cpu 100 MHz more.

That's weird, I've gained over 80 albeit going from 3200 to 3466 both CL14. Only difference is that the later run and higher score was using a later BIOS version, but CPU voltage etc and PBO/XFR are just all out the box default auto settings.

I really hope the memory frequency support is better on these new chips though, I'd like to run my RAM as fast as it will go. My board shows support for up to 4000mhz, but I can't even get my memory stable at 3600

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Going to wait for a few game benchmarks before i decide whether to upgrade. The 12 core 3700x should be a nice upgrade over my 5820k if those rumoured clock speeds are correct with the IPC uplift. Might even go 3850x if the leaked clocks are true, providing they are all released around the same time.

 

[DragonQ]

So we have an unknown speed midrange AMD Ryzen CPU with 2666mhz ram beating a stock boosting to 4.7ghz 9900k.... oh dear Intel

Can only imagine the pasting the 9900k is going to get from a final clocked mid range (3600X) with 3200mhz+ Ram (this is basing on current support, not sure if Zen2 IMC will be better)

This could end up looking very ugly for Intel.

Well unless there's been an IPC regression from Ryzen 2, it's gotta be 4.6 GHz or less. Also, unless IPC has improved by more than 15% it's gotta be 4.0 GHz or more.

 

[beany_bot]

Well unless there's been an IPC regression from Ryzen 2, it's gotta be 4.6 GHz or less. Also, unless IPC has improved by more than 15% it's gotta be 4.0 GHz or more.

Imagine they were running it at 4.2Ghz to just nip 9900k knowing fine well it will do 4.7Ghz on the night lol.

 

[KentMan]

It already is, Intel have confirmed 14nm shortages until well in to Q2 now and the only 10nm parts are going to be laptop SKU's in Q4 '19, with nothing for desktop due until 2020.

AMD have a clear shot at being a performance leader for the time since the mid 00's in all aspects, and across several market places. The impact of Zen2, in EPYC, TR3. Ryzen 3xxx will have can only be descried as staggering.

The other issue Intel will have here, is that AMD could well have Zen2+ on the shelves before Intel have anything that responds to Zen2, pushing AMD even further ahead and Intel even further behind.

 

[Panos]

The other issue Intel will have here, is that AMD could well have Zen2+ on the shelves before Intel have anything that responds to Zen2, pushing AMD even further ahead and Intel even further behind.

Yep. TSMC started 7nm EUV (N7+) taping out in October 2018, and 5nm risk production starts in April 2019 for mass production Q2 2020.
TSMC hasn't announced for which company products the N7+ was taped out, but there is 50-50 to go right if someone says Apple or AMD.

So by the time Intel starts mass production of 10nm, AMD will be close to 5nm.
And as Lisa said two days ago there is in the pipeline already "Zen 3, Zen 4 and Zen 5".

 

[4K8KW10]

Yep. TSMC started 7nm EUV (N7+) taping out in October 2018, and 5nm risk production starts in April 2019 for mass production Q2 2020.
TSMC hasn't announced for which company products the N7+ was taped out, but there is 50-50 to go right if someone says Apple or AMD.

For phones?

Yep. TSMC started 7nm EUV (N7+) taping out in October 2018, and 5nm risk production starts in April 2019 for mass production Q2 2020.
TSMC hasn't announced for which company products the N7+ was taped out, but there is 50-50 to go right if someone says Apple or AMD.

So by the time Intel starts mass production of 10nm, AMD will be close to 5nm.
And as Lisa said two days ago there is in the pipeline already "Zen 3, Zen 4 and Zen 5".

I only hope they stay on 7nm for more time and release two or three real generations on it.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Well unless there's been an IPC regression from Ryzen 2, it's gotta be 4.6 GHz or less. Also, unless IPC has improved by more than 15% it's gotta be 4.0 GHz or more.

There isn't an IPC regression, we already know that. AMD won't claim an IPC gain, which they categorically have, then provide a regression.

Second, look at 65 v 95W Ryzen now, what's the biggest difference, lower base clocks and much lower all core boosts.


https://www.computerbase.de/2018-04/amd-ryzen-2000-test/6/

If you go down to the table near the bottom they are showing average clocks of various chips in the left column, the left number is clocks under 4 threads and the right number clocks under full load. A 95W 2700x has 4.13Ghz under 4 threads and 4.05Ghz under full load.

The 65W 2700 has 3.85Ghz under 4 thread but only 3.35Ghz under full load. That's the difference the 30W makes. The chip being used, regardless of what the clocks are supposed to be, will maintain FAR lower clocks than a 95W 8 core would under the same circumstances, pretty much 20% lower. 65W chips have a pretty huge difference between rated turbo speed and actual all core fully loaded clocks.

As for ES's and guessing how far downclocked they are, there is no point and bringing up past models is pointless. One generation ES chips might be at 70% of final clocks, another they might be at 98%.

Remember these are the same chiplets that are going to ship in EPYC Rome chips which it sounds like they might be shipping as early as in the next month or two for direct to customer sales.

Timeline isn't official but it seems like Q1 is AMD selling Rome direct to the likes of Google/MS/Facebook/massive data centres. End of Q2/early Q3 is desktop and Q3 is Rome to people like Dell selling smaller numbers of servers in the way they do. In other words the 'ES' chips now should be pretty much finalised for server and sure desktop is higher clocks, but the silicon is still pretty much finalised.

ES samples can be whatever you want them to be, there is no set rule that they are massively downclocked, they are only downclocked as far as they feel the need to make them for the people they give them to.

 

[dragonslayer]

Yep. TSMC started 7nm EUV (N7+) taping out in October 2018, and 5nm risk production starts in April 2019 for mass production Q2 2020.
TSMC hasn't announced for which company products the N7+ was taped out, but there is 50-50 to go right if someone says Apple or AMD.

So by the time Intel starts mass production of 10nm, AMD will be close to 5nm.
And as Lisa said two days ago there is in the pipeline already "Zen 3, Zen 4 and Zen 5".

I wouldn't be surprised if AMD have a contract in place for first dibs on 7nm+ tbh

 

[Drollic]

Release the prices and show us the clock speeds and temps already! 12/24 even lightly overclocked with high end air or 240mm+ aio with reasonable temperatures would be pretty amazing. At around £400 even more so.

 

[4K8KW10]

Release the prices and show us the clock speeds and temps already! 12/24 even lightly overclocked with high end air or 240mm+ aio with reasonable temperatures would be pretty amazing. At around £400 even more so.

There is too much time till June... lol Eternity.

 

[humbug]

There is too much time till June... lol Eternity.

There's always Intel if you want a new chip now.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I heard the mention of May being a date they could be released as well.

 

[4K8KW10]

There's always Intel if you want a new chip now.

Unfortunately, I do not want anything now

 

[humbug]

I heard the mention of May being a date they could be released as well.

Ya, Q2 was banded around, that's <June

 

[Scougar]

As a tech nerd, I would love to have them release the CPU's ahead of the boards, but I suspect that might not give them the best showing.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Ya, Q2 was banded around, that's <June

Before July