they dont even need to be that high if the price is right ! if they match intel current ipc and can do 4.5ghz stable instant buy. 4.5 currently and 6 cores is the sort of sweet spot for gaming at moment. so anything with 8 core + and that speed or above and a great price is brilliant !
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they dont even need to be that high if the price is right ! if they match intel current ipc and can do 4.5ghz stable instant buy. 4.5 currently and 6 cores is the sort of sweet spot for gaming at moment. so anything with 8 core + and that speed or above and a great price is brilliant !
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I am just (wishful) speculating
.While I don't hold out massive hope for what I mentioned, I don't feel it will end up being all that far from where we will end up.
I fall into this target audience to be honest. Im due a massive upgrade and im holding off to see what the 3000 series holds and ill most likely be buying too as long as the price and performance are reasonable.
I dont however have the desire to spend a fortune on a 9900k on a socket that will change in 12 months time and im happy with good performance for a good price without the " I have the fastest cpu willy waving"
So, 116 points single core @3.6 GHz; 374 points quad core; 1741 points multi-core @3.4 GHz.
How much does a 2700X get in multi-core?
1956 @ 4.3Ghz, although I get just over 1900 using XFR these days.
Maybe later. Watching my club try to turnover Chelsea at the moment.
I keep my fingers crossed for you
The right answer is 2700X at 3.4 GHz = ~1547 points multi-core?
Which means 12.5% scaling from 16 up to 24 threads in the application.
I keep my fingers crossed for you
The right answer is 2700X at 3.4 GHz = ~1547 points multi-core?
Which means 12.5% scaling from 16 up to 24 threads in the application.
You asked HRL to down clock his 2700X to see how it compares to your 1741 @ 3.4Ghz quoted CPU, he scores 1956 @ 4.3Ghz.. that calculation is your 3.4Ghz 1741 scaled up to 4.3Ghz
4.3 * 3.4 = 1.264 (26.4%) add that too 1741 = 2200.624.
So 2200 Points for your theoretical 3.4Ghz 1741 scored scaled upto 4.3Ghz = 2200 points.
I can't believe that AMD are going to go to a monolithic die for anything moving forward. Every instance of the Zen Cores at 7nm has been a chiplet design. I suspect that the core is specifically designed to work that way and would need significant re-engineering to change that.
There are two options that make sense to me - either the iGPU sitting on the 12nm I/O die section or a separate 7nm GPU Chiplet.
AMD have a current APU - it is the 2200 & 2400 - at the time when they want to replace that then I believe it will be with a second chiplet.
It is also a completely logical step for them. The 7nm Vega die is Approximately 331mm2? And has 64CU's (Yes I know it is 60 on the VegaVII but we know that is because they are harvesting dies from the higher end chips.) The 7nm Ryzen Chiplet is approximately 70mm2? (Please correct me if there is better data out there.)
Purely dividing the areas it would logically suggest a 12-14CU Vega chiplet would fit.
That would allow them to increase the CU count from 11 to 13 for a 15% uplift and close to 30% higher per CU performance from architecture and clock speed. The only thing that is still really holding it back is going to be DDR4 memory. In reality I think they will have to hold back a little on the clock speeds for thermal and power reasons but I still think that we are going to be looking at an overall graphics performance increase of around 30% - and under the right cooling probably 50%.
That should take them from an APU that can play some e-sports titles to a significantly more capable all round chip. Not to mention the 6 or 8 core goodness it is going to have from the Zen chiplet.
There are two options that make sense to me - either the iGPU sitting on the 12nm I/O die section or a separate 7nm GPU Chiplet.
AMD have a current APU - it is the 2200 & 2400 - at the time when they want to replace that then I believe it will be with a second chiplet.
It is also a completely logical step for them. The 7nm Vega die is Approximately 331mm2? And has 64CU's (Yes I know it is 60 on the VegaVII but we know that is because they are harvesting dies from the higher end chips.) The 7nm Ryzen Chiplet is approximately 70mm2? (Please correct me if there is better data out there.)
Purely dividing the areas it would logically suggest a 12-14CU Vega chiplet would fit.
That would allow them to increase the CU count from 11 to 13 for a 15% uplift and close to 30% higher per CU performance from architecture and clock speed. The only thing that is still really holding it back is going to be DDR4 memory. In reality I think they will have to hold back a little on the clock speeds for thermal and power reasons but I still think that we are going to be looking at an overall graphics performance increase of around 30% - and under the right cooling probably 50%.
That should take them from an APU that can play some e-sports titles to a significantly more capable all round chip. Not to mention the 6 or 8 core goodness it is going to have from the Zen chiplet.
Maybe my RAM speed might need an underclock too, will do it later if needed, i gotta pop out for a bit.
Cheers, you’ve saved me the trouble.
3600X looks nice if rumours are true. I hope for at least 4.5 all cores without messing around overclocking ('m lazy 
). 5820k is still fine for what I do/play, but I want new and shiny .
I know it's all just rumours at the moment, but I assume computex is the likely reveal of the lineup?
). 5820k is still fine for what I do/play, but I want new and shiny .I know it's all just rumours at the moment, but I assume computex is the likely reveal of the lineup?
This is what I was saying earlier. "No chiplet APU in Matisse at this time" from Lisa Su does not mean Matisse will never have a chiplet GPU, but I do concede that given the APUs are a generation behind, the desktop APUs under the 3000 series moniker will probably just be amped up versions of the laptop parts already announced at CES.
But I still find myself looking at the dates on the AdoredTV chart and can't help but think Q3 announcement for 3000 series APUs is about the same time as Navi's anticipated announcement...
It looks like only the mobile APUs are a generation behind. The desktop APUs from 3000 series should be Zen 2 + Navi. With the mobiles 4000 series APUs coming shortly after.
2000 series APUs are Zen 1, you corrected me on that
The 3000 series laptop parts are Zen+ so who knows what the 3000 series desktop parts will be.I was completely agreeing with you. It just makes too much sense for them to use a GPU chiplet.
I know, and it is a nice idea - but I don't see them going there. There is no competitor in that space and therefore no real reason to crunch a new technology in when they can already increase performance by probably 40% by going with a 7nm Vega chiplet.
They already have a proof of concept and we know that Vega works in AM4.
Deep in crystal ball territory but the scope for Navi is that it is going to be a console and dGPU Polaris replacement - I am really hoping that it is incredibly single minded in being a pure gaming chip.
4000 Series Ryzen would be 7nm+ and 'Next-Gen' AMD is also 7nm+ I think that is where we are going to see both Ray tracing from AMD and
2000 series APUs are Zen 1, you corrected me on that
I begin to get confused what Zen 1 is, what Zen+ is, what 14nm is, what 14nm FinFet is, what 12nm is..... In the end, it may be all one and the same...