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From what I can tell - nothing above 8 core is official and confirmed by AMD, is this correct? Is everything else just rumour/leaks/spectulation at this point?
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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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Yep, Speculation based on the layout and leaks.
AMD’s 12-core 3rd Gen Ryzen engineering sample is running up to 3.7GHz in tests https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-3rd-gen-ryzen-12-core-24-thread-user-benchmark
It's probably already been said but i don't fancy going through 223 pages.
I hope motherboard makers up their game with the 5 series boards, i understand the first AM4 boards being a bit naff as they didn't know if it was going anywhere, and i understand that the focus was on ATX boards with the second round, but i really hope mATX & ITX gets some love this time around, Intel boards have a great selection when it comes to mATX & ITX but having looked through smaller AM4 board recently was really disappointing.
Is it to much to ask for a smaller board with decent power delivery that puts substance over style? It's almost like motherboard makers have forgotten that enthusiasts often prefer substance over style, i can understand that to some extent as over the years they've had to rely on style to sell boards as with Intel we didn't really have any significant changes from one revision to the next so they had to come up with things to tempt people into upgrading like RGB, integrated I/O shields, lumps of plastic covering heatsink, etc, etc.
However for the fist time in almost a decade I'm actually enthusing over hardware again and i want to buy hardware with substance like efficient high grade power delivery, proper heatsinks, feature rich BIOS settings.
/Rant.
I just want same boards Intel gets, I dunno if its just me but when I look at higher end boards from both (so £200+) the Intels looks miles better but maybe thats just me being vain lol
Can you imagine the AM4 equivalent of that new Maximus XI Gene?
3850X paired with a Crosshair VIII Gene. Sweet mother of God.
If I get one I'll put it on my B350 board, if for some reason it doesn't review well or there are issues with running on boards like mine I'll probably just hold off.
I've been building PCs for over 20 years and never bought a CPU without buying a mobo at the same time, but this might provide an opportunity depending on price/performance etc.
That's not particularly impressive tho is it? Well, not for us gamers
More Hz please!That's not particularly impressive tho is it? Well, not for us gamers
It's a 23 day old link and it's also a very early "engineering sample". As such it tells us very little about the final released product, other than this particular sample was 12c/24t.
I want better boards than Intel gets but even the same would be a step in the right direction, lets face it Intel board have remained stagnate for at least a decade, about the only thing that's changed is the addition of DDR4 that makes next to no difference and NVMe slots.
I'm still using a i7 920 on a x58 board and the main reason for that is because apart from faster clockspeeds nothing drastically changed in the last decade until recently, it's been the same 4 cores, almost the same performance no matter if it's stock or screaming fast DDR3 or 4, there's just been nothing that's compelled me into upgrading until Ryzen came along.
And now i do want to upgrade all i see is the same design ethos that crept into Intel boards being used on AMD boards, what i call a 'that will do ethos', a style over substance ethos. I'm not blaming the motherboard makers for that as for the last decade they've only ever needed to design a board for a single generation of CPU that's had the same 4 cores as the previous generation and the same stock speed RAM, they've been forced into pairing down the engineering to the bare minimum so they can add other things (pointless bling) to tempt people into buying.
That's not how things should be anymore, AM4 boards need to be over-engineered so people can feel confident that a board bought today isn't going to have problems running and even OC'ing a CPU bought in 2020.
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I have ordered a zen+ chip, I know zen2 will be very good, but I figured I want to upgrade my spare rig now, zen2 will probably work on am4 boards, so if I need to I can sell the 2600x and get a 3xxxx chip at launch anyway probably for a £20-30 loss not the end of the world.
I found this spreadsheet written up after a debate on reddit about VRMs been under powered and so forth, and at the bottom the author even concedes the VRMs are absolutely fine when you not doing heavy duty overclocking.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZwVuH_tinzgpsOdfMvYeCLI5ZbIpnq5fyiWD4NCkkU/edit#gid=0
I found this spreadsheet written up after a debate on reddit about VRMs been under powered and so forth, and at the bottom the author even concedes the VRMs are absolutely fine when you not doing heavy duty overclocking.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZwVuH_tinzgpsOdfMvYeCLI5ZbIpnq5fyiWD4NCkkU/edit#gid=0
Might find you're underestimating the depreciation. If rumours are to be believed.
If ryzen 3000 hex core is going to be in the region of £100-120.
And you've just spent £180 on a 2600x...which you need to take into account as well.
My man maths suggests that expected resale price of the 2600x is probably going to be in the region of £70-80 (let's say £80 for argument's sake).
Your loss is looking more like £100, rather than £20-30.
That's what I'm getting at, the power deliver is fine when you're not doing heavy OC'ing but fine doesn't really cut it IMO as a newer chip with more cores and higher power draw turns 'fine' into mediocre or worse.
And worse still is that 'fine' power delivery seems to be the remit of ATX boards, just because i want a mATX or ITX board shouldn't mean i have to settle for low end VRM's.
Those prices wont happen, AMD are not so silly to throw away profit margins like that. Even if wholesale price was favourable dont think for one moment retailers wont gouge, no chance next gen AMD chips will be cheaper than existing chips. My 2600x is a £165 net cost not £180 as the free game happens to be one I want, so I got cdkey to refund my pre order.
If you right you right, but I am not waiting. I am not one who just buys stuff at start of generations as also can be told by the timing I brought my 1080ti, I am not really a believer in "just wait for next gen", otherwise I be waiting forever.
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Amd needs to gain mindshare...there's no reason those prices can't happen, also given that the hex core 3000s are now amd's low end.
They have already gained the mindshare. Now they need to make the $$$$.
So if OCUK are selling 2600X for £200, whats logical about them putting up say a zen2 6 core chip up for half that price? how does that make business sense to OCUK, they just wouldnt do it. We have seen time and time again in the last few years how the market is going and how UK retailers gouge, I personally think £100-120 is highly optimistic for the next 6 core chip.
So if OCUK are selling 2600X for £200, whats logical about them putting up say a zen2 6 core chip up for half that price? how does that make business sense to OCUK, they just wouldnt do it. We have seen time and time again in the last few years how the market is going and how UK retailers gouge, I personally think £100-120 is highly optimistic for the next 6 core chip.
Not to Joe public they haven't.
Just see how many threads saying please spec an Intel pc (or I have no experience with amd)
This is where amd has to target next to claw back market share from intel. Just see how many mainstream pc sites eg dell Lenovo etc...the proportion of intel pcs Vs amd pcs
Depends on MSRP as well...if over gouged, either won't buy or buy elsewhere...just like the 9900k where many enthusiasts just bought from Amazon USA instead