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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

I was gonna buy an 9600k and z390 mobo next week. Should I instead opt for Ryzen 2600x and a high end x470 mobo drop in a 3700x next year? Would I be silly not to do this?

I was sold on having a strong single threaded CPU purely for gaming, but now I am majorly conflicted. Have every other part except CPU, motherboard and RAM, just waiting for that next wage slip lol
 
EloquentParadox said:
I was gonna buy an 9600k and z390 mobo next week. Should I instead opt for Ryzen 2600x and a high end x470 mobo drop in a 3700x next year? Would I be silly not to do this?

I was sold on having a strong single threaded CPU purely for gaming, but now I am majorly conflicted. Have every other part except CPU, motherboard and RAM, just waiting for that next wage slip lol
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To be honest, i wouldn't do either in your situation. Hold on to what you've got until the actual release of Ryzen2. If the benchies ect hold up to the hype, then get a x570 mobo and the best cpu for it you can afford.
 
4K8KW10 said:
How exactly does an 8-core Jaguar-based APU that is in the PlayStation catch up with the likes of Ryzen 7 2700X or Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX and Radeon Vega 64 or RTX 2080 Ti? :eek:

Look, even if the next-gen console APU is Zen 2/3-based, it will be severely bottlenecked by its TDP.
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Im mostly talking about a purely game play perspective experience games on PS4 pro / xbox for instance red dead redemption 2 play great and look great for a fraction of the cost.
its all down to cost at the end of the day im getting sick of having to pay insane prices for something that can be done on a console and look just as good and play just a well.

and what they can do now on consoles compared to 5+ years ago is leaps and bounds higher and when ps5 or next xbox come out they will still be a fraction of the cost for something that looks just as well and plays just as well.

it could all be justified years ago but tech console wise is catching up to a point where people are getting sick of getting milked like cows for something that could be done on a console....
 
ViRuS2k said:
Im mostly talking about a purely game play perspective experience games on PS4 pro / xbox for instance red dead redemption 2 play great and look great for a fraction of the cost.
its all down to cost at the end of the day im getting sick of having to pay insane prices for something that can be done on a console and look just as good and play just a well.

and what they can do now on consoles compared to 5+ years ago is leaps and bounds higher and when ps5 or next xbox come out they will still be a fraction of the cost for something that looks just as well and plays just as well.

it could all be justified years ago but tech console wise is catching up to a point where people are getting sick of getting milked like cows for something that could be done on a console....
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If all you ever do is play games, then sure you can get a very rough approximation of what a PC can do. However, when you take into account that I do more than play games, I work on it, I listen to music, send emails, write letters, look at hundreds of gb of photos etc, then no, a PC is vastly superior.

Cost wise, yes consoles are cheaper, but you pay much more for the games and pay for online access. After 5 years that will add up to hundreds. On top of that most people will still need a laptop which is some more hundreds. Meanwhile you are getting an inferior gaming experience where you can't even use mice and keyboard for most games.
 
This close to Zen2 I would opt for a B450 board if single GPU and nvme, and probably a 2600x if all I'm doing is gaming.

Then when Zen2 appears sell the b450 and 2600x and buy a decent Zen2 setup.

Also I fully expect Zen2 to handle faster ram, wouldn't be surprised to see 4000mhz stuff running on it. Plus the next boards should have PCIE 4 on them, a lot more future proofing.

I'm in an X370 CH6 and I'm waiting til Zen2 and will do a full New build then
 
EloquentParadox said:
@Journey I have already purchased a Vega 64, and have 1440p 144hz Freesync display.

Wouldn't a x470 be more suitable for next-gen ryzen?
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Not really, since it will likely support PCI-E 4.0, and X470 doesn't. Also a B450 isn't going to alter your experience, I'd look at minimising the outlay now, with a view to changing the CPU and board next year. You'll perhaps lose £100 when you come to sell the used parts on. £240 for a board and CPU Vs £240 just for a board, seems like a no brainer to me.
 
Why would you need to change the board,if Ryzen 2 will work on existing ones?

If not a major advantage for AM4 which has been touted would be gone,ie,the ability to upgrade on the same board.

If Ryzen 2 does not work in B450/X470 boards that actually would be quite negative PR for AMD.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Why would you need to change the board,if Ryzen 2 will work on existing ones?

If not a major advantage for AM4 which has been touted would be gone,ie,the ability to upgrade on the same board.

If Ryzen 2 does not work in B450/X470 boards that actually would be quite negative PR for AMD.
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It'll work fine, you'll not get access to PCI-e 4.0 however.
 
SiDeards73 said:
This close to Zen2 I would opt for a B450 board if single GPU and nvme, and probably a 2600x if all I'm doing is gaming.

Then when Zen2 appears sell the b450 and 2600x and buy a decent Zen2 setup.

Also I fully expect Zen2 to handle faster ram, wouldn't be surprised to see 4000mhz stuff running on it. Plus the next boards should have PCIE 4 on them, a lot more future proofing.

I'm in an X370 CH6 and I'm waiting til Zen2 and will do a full New build then
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6 months away is still pretty distant, I'd think...
 
Ok now I am confused.

AMD did indeed officially film the Next horizon event, but seemingly they didn't stream it live.

The full presentation can be seen here.

 
ViRuS2k said:
yeah some people dont realise that consoles are catching up on pc...
i mean frame rate and resolution are only a pc`s redeeming factors when comparing both and are much much more in price
its not like i was 5 years ago lol

and ps5 or xbx1x or what ever they call it will be even better frames and lets face facts here there is a not a hell of a lot of difference between real 4k and the consoles 4k not when your sat 10 feet away from a 55" OLED lol
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To me they not even in the same league.

Look at the size of the steam, origins, uplay, battlenet, gog etc. game library, add emulators and compare that to any console, no comparison. The entire library can mostly be paid on a single PC, BC kings.

That to me has always been the prime advantage of PC, alongside the free online. Things like better possible performance are nice but always been secondary benefits.

Not to mention that you can mod games on PC. Which can greatly enhance games.

The advantages I considered of consoles, is the few exclusives (this gen exclusives have been very poor by console standard tho, xbox one not a single exclusive has interested me, and ps4 only a few.), lower cost of entry, and the convenience of not worrying about installing an OS etc.

As an example last gen.

early xbox360 life, tales of vesperia, star ocean 4, blue dragon, lost oddysey, nier, fable 2, fable 3 (when microsoft made games other than driving and FPS) in addition all the arcade classic titles on xbox live store.
ps3, star ocean 4 international edition, enhanced tales of vesperia, eternal sonata, various other tales games, and more
Both consoles also got the ff13 trio of games (these did hit the PC but took several years so was a very extended timed exclusive, star ocean 4 also, but that came after ps4 gen launched so extremely delayed).

This gen xbox one not got a single jrpg exclusive, and ps4 most jrpg are also on PC.

Looks like not even any western rpg exclusives either.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/73598031
 
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