AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[humbug]

Haha... Dell, who around 2017 when Intel went into full defense mode said they did not believe AMD server CPU's would be something their customers wanted have now done a full u-turn and are offering EPYC based servers.

This reminds me when back in the early 2000's Dell had the same idea after being paid off by Intel, Dell's servers almost became obsolete for not offering AMD based servers and Intel kept handing more and more and more money over to Dell to keep them afloat.

Now eat your own words, again! Dell.

 

[Beren]

I wonder if AMD is delaying TR 3000 as it could hurt single socket server sales in the SME sector. A 32 core threadripper that boosts to 5.0ghz could be a very easy recommendation with the amount of IO and capability on the platform if you are sitting on a 5+ year old intel server.

 

[bakes0310]

If you bought an 1800x with a view to running it "full tilt", then the question has to asked why did you even consider a 350 mobo in the first place ?
It's always been the case (AMD or INTEL), if you want the best out of a cpu you simply can't cheap out on the mobo. That's as true now as it has been in the past and certainly will be in the future.

Aren't the 350/450 boards any good then, I swear I read reviews that they are very good still if you don't need the extra features. I want a matx build possibly a motherboard from MSI like the mortar but in the new 550 variety.

My build will look something like 3600x 16gb 3200 memory, mins matx 550 board, one GPU and one m.2

 

[kitfit1]

Aren't the 350/450 boards any good then, I swear I read reviews that they are very good still if you don't need the extra features. I want a matx build possibly a motherboard from MSI like the mortar but in the new 550 variety.

My build will look something like 3600x 16gb 3200 memory, mins matx 550 board, one GPU and one m.2

In my opinion, it's not a case of the boards are "no good" it's a case of a lot of Bios's in the cheaper boards are very limiting. We have had loads of posts where peeps have said they don't have x,y or z settings available. You can't get the most out of a cpu and ram if the bios dosn't have the options to allow you to get the best.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Aren't the 350/450 boards any good then, I swear I read reviews that they are very good still if you don't need the extra features. I want a matx build possibly a motherboard from MSI like the mortar but in the new 550 variety.

My build will look something like 3600x 16gb 3200 memory, mins matx 550 board, one GPU and one m.2

x570 is a jump up to z390 VRM levels and then some .

intels b360 matched z370 and werent the based and needed the increase, specially with 9900 non K and 9700 chips coming out .

B450 have been great, but cheapest x570 should be £115 odd in pricing ( fingers crossed) and hopefully 10+2 vrm set up

 

[bakes0310]

Well if I can get a 570x matx board I'll get that.

 

[Troezar]

x570 is a jump up to z390 VRM levels and then some .

intels b360 matched z370 and werent the based and needed the increase, specially with 9900 non K and 9700 chips coming out .

B450 have been great, but cheapest x570 should be £115 odd in pricing ( fingers crossed) and hopefully 10+2 vrm set up

I presume the higher end X570 boards will be more like Z390 prices too, £250+?

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Almost 3 weeks to the official announcement and still no decent leaks

 

[Journey]

I presume the higher end X570 boards will be more like Z390 prices too, £250+?

Well given that high end X470/X370 boards were that price then you should expect nothing less, however there is very little price to performance to be gained by going for a high end board, its only really worth it if you need the features or want to waste your time trying to get an extra 50MHz out of the CPU etc.

 

[Troezar]

Well given that high end X470/X370 boards were that price then you should expect nothing less, however there is very little price to performance to be gained by going for a high end board, its only really worth it if you need the features or want to waste your time trying to get an extra 50MHz out of the CPU etc.

True. I'm more interested in getting a board that can run everything at its best 24/7 and has plenty of connectivity options. I upgrade infrequently so something that will last a while

 

[chrcoluk]

Aren't the 350/450 boards any good then, I swear I read reviews that they are very good still if you don't need the extra features. I want a matx build possibly a motherboard from MSI like the mortar but in the new 550 variety.

My build will look something like 3600x 16gb 3200 memory, mins matx 550 board, one GPU and one m.2

For value for money they excellent.

But if you rating them on been able to do everything perhaps not so good.

My asrock b450 pro 4, it can tune all if not most ram timings, so ram o/c isnt really hindered. For cpu it can adjust voltage, switch between offset and fixed, adjust cpu clock ratio, adjust sub voltages like soc etc., toggle XFR, toggle PBO.

What seems to be missing is p-state tuning, LLC adjustments, spread spectrum toggles, system clock adjustments, PBO fine tuning, and possibly some other less important stuff.

Some of this can be still fiddled with via things like ryzen master.

If you using XFR, everything you need is there, if you using PBO+XFR, one can argue the PBO fine tuning is needed, if you manual o/c, the LLC may be missed.

Aside from that the only other what I consider notable downside of the board is a realtek instead of intel nic. Note also this board is one of the better boards for VRM's, so if you care about VRM's, this one is considered good enough to handle the 8 core chips with XFR.

Given how poor manual o/c is on ryzen, or rather how good XFR is in comparison to it, the "potential" real world performance gains between a b450 and x470 are minimal. More bells and whistles in the bios, possibly better VRM, but actual better performance not much. £ per performance gain, x470's are hideous value.

 

[bakes0310]

Thanks for the explanation sounds like the 550 will be plenty enough for my needs.

 

[chrcoluk]

I have the Asrock AB350M as well, so if infact it will run a 12 core cpu i'll be delighted! cus it won't run an 1800X full tilt for very long that I am sure of.

Its unfortunate you made this post given a good friend of mine happens to have that combo and the 1800X is absolutely fine. His performance figures match users with the top end boards on same cpu, even exceeding some of them.

XFR will downclock for reasons such as TDP and temperatures.

 

[chrcoluk]

Thanks for the explanation sounds like the 550 will be plenty enough for my needs.

Well might be too early to assume that, but fingers crossed. But in my view if cpu side you happy with XFR, then the mid range board's should be good enough.

I used ryzen dram calculator for my ram on my b450, and every single timing on it was accessible in the bios. So ram side its completely unhindered.

I got an example for you.

buildzoid on his top end gigabyte x470 board, in cinebench his 2600X was 3.95 all cores, and 4.15 single core (dont know why was so slow). On my b450, my 2600x in cinebench is 4.05 all cores and 4.25 single core. In most other all core loads its 4.15 all cores. Buildzoid mentioned in his video he has never hit higher than 4.05 on his 2600x all cores.

 

[Troezar]

Well might be too early to assume that, but fingers crossed. But in my view if cpu side you happy with XFR, then the mid range board's should be good enough.

I used ryzen dram calculator for my ram on my b450, and every single timing on it was accessible in the bios. So ram side its completely unhindered.

I got an example for you.

buildzoid on his top end gigabyte x470 board, in cinebench his 2600X was 3.95 all cores, and 4.15 single core (dont know why was so slow). On my b450, my 2600x in cinebench is 4.05 all cores and 4.25 single core. In most other all core loads its 4.15 all cores. Buildzoid mentioned in his video he has never hit higher than 4.05 on his 2600x all cores.

I would assume that the maximum frequency is as much down to the quality of the CPU as the motherboard?

 

[chrcoluk]

I would think cpu silicon lottery is king probably. I probably just have a better chip than buildzoid, although his results were still odd as these clocks are in the spec of the cpu.

 

[voidshatter]

yeah I am looking into LTSB myself also, it seems tho getting a legal license as a consumer is not a thing? Microsoft seem to consider LTSB a enterprise only feature.

To me doing feature updates every 6-18 months is not viable.

You can buy from any UK reseller via Volume Licensing as a consumer by giving your name as the company name. You buy 5 copies of cheap **** like "Identity Manager" to activate a volume licensing agreement with Microsoft and then you can buy a single copy of LTSC using that agreement number.

** Fully star out all swearing **

 

[chrcoluk]

Thanks.

 

[pmc25]

Haha... Dell, who around 2017 when Intel went into full defense mode said they did not believe AMD server CPU's would be something their customers wanted have now done a full u-turn and are offering EPYC based servers.

This reminds me when back in the early 2000's Dell had the same idea after being paid off by Intel, Dell's servers almost became obsolete for not offering AMD based servers and Intel kept handing more and more and more money over to Dell to keep them afloat.

Now eat your own words, again! Dell.

It's not on the roadmap because Rome based TR will not launch at Computex, but instead about 6-8 weeks later, as in the past.

AMD want all eyes on Ryzen 3 right now.

The way it's being reported is just clickbait.

TR is a niche and won't hurt sales of EPYC. Moreover, if EPYC dies (i.e. highest bin) are coming, then by definition so are TR4 dies - high bin, but not god bin. Ryzen are lower bin. AMD want a market for all of them.

 

[Matkinson]

Still struggling to decide on the 8 core or the 12 core...