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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Was always wondering when x64 would reach high SMT levels, suppose it depends on the width and utilisation of the architecture.
If Amd do have an area and power bump coming with the next 7nm or even 6nm run in a year or so time then they might take the opportunity to fire in more core resources to make 4 way smt go well.
But i think thats a big jump for zen 3 to be honest, i expect it will be more tweeks to zen 2 - core numbers go up, the IO die goes to 7nm as well and zen4 will have the SMT changed with DDR5 which will be needed by then.
 
That concept 15 chiplet Milan package just made me wet. 10 8 core CPU chiplets, 4 GPU chiplets, strapped together with an I/O die with embedded HBM2.

Holy ****
 
Vince said:
The more I hear about all this stuff the more I like the name Zen, I remember back in the day about 10 years ago when AMD touted this Zen methodology and what the future was. At the time everybody, me included, mocked it as some sort of pipe dream. We looked at what they currently had in bulldozer and how far behind they were and just couldn't see it happening.

Now looking at it, after the way they have executed on Zen so far and what is likely to come, I have to say that it's pretty amazing. Nobody really believed they could be competitive let alone be where they are right now.
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They did well, My last AMD cpu before Ryzen was a quad core Phenom II, since then I've gone through an i5 3570k, 4770k & 4790k so I was looking forward to Zen with my fingers crossed as it was the make or break product for AMD.
 
humbug said:
What's the bets Zen 3:
4 Threads per core, APU's with HBM2 glued to the IO die?
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It's the logical progression from Renoir using CPU and GPU chiplets in the same package.

Hell, for all of the ridiculous bluster these past few years about how AMD cannot make GPUs any more and should just "gtfo" if they can't beat Nvidia, perhaps AMD could pull (and perhaps are doing) themselves out of the discreet game altogether: strapping VRAM directly to the GPU or I/O die would solve an APU's memory bottleneck issue and unleash their full potential. Would we even need a discreet add-in card any more? There's no money to be made in pandering to the extreme bleeding edge 16K 480Hz Ultrawide consumers anyway, so leave them to it and let Nvidia bend them over.

Llano doesn't look so stupid now...
 
TDP? 7nm RX 580 without GDDR + 7nm 8 core Zen 2/3: 90 watts total package, meh...
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@LePhuronn Agreed, there is no money in hyper GPU's for AMD, nVidia have that stitched up, however they still sell a lot of cards in the £350 and under bracket, that's what Navi will be.

But yeah, three chiplet, IO die with two 1024Bit 2GB HBM2 stacks glued on top, that's 4GB of 2048Bit memory, at 500Mhz they use almost 0 power and at that its like GDDR5X levels of bandwidth.

If AMD fabricate the memory themselves, which they would have to if they are going to glue them on the IO die, this instead of buying them ready made by Micron or Samsung they would only cost a few $ each, add an 8 core 16 thread (32 Thread??) CPU chiplet and a 30 CU GPU you have a £200 - £250 APU that's about as fast as todays GTX 1070 coupled with a 9900K.
 
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As far as I can see a discrete GPU will always beat an integrated one as it can be bigger and have greater cooling. That's not to say most people wouldn't be happy out with a cheap but moderately powerful integrated GPU.
 
Troezar said:
As far as I can see a discrete GPU will always beat an integrated one as it can be bigger and have greater cooling. That's not to say most people wouldn't be happy out with a cheap but moderately powerful integrated GPU.
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Yes exactly, for a lot of people if they can get a fully capable maximum settings 1080P 60Hz GPU and a high performance 8 core CPU in a neat little CPU like package for around £200 to £250 they will buy them, they make a perfect little HTPC's to stick under the telly or just for the budget minded Gaming PC builder..

They would also be good for Descktop OEM's and Laptops.
 
Poneros said:
That's HPC stuff, not gonna see it on desktop any time soon (within 5 years) if ever.
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AMD have been pushing this technology for the past decade, they have just been hampered by DDR memory bandwidth, now, in the next couple of years they have the technology to overcome that, Game Consoles are already built like this, AMD already have the technology in place its just a bit too expensive right now for budget Retail PC's, the costs will come down in the next couple of years.
 
LePhuronn said:
Would we even need a discreet add-in card any more?
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smilingcrow said:
Cough. TDP. Cough.
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humbug said:
7nm RX 580 without GDDR + 7nm 8 core Zen 2/3: 90 watts total package
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You fully missed the context here, which wasn't about whether someone can build an APU good enough for 1080P gaming but whether there would be a need for a dGPU at all.

There's such a lack of nuance shown online and in Parliament etc that no wonder mankind is sleep walking to oblivion focusing on trivia.
 
You really are not being clear or nuanced at all @smilingcrow

We are talking about CPU, Memory, GPU chiplets and your amongst it coughing TDP TDP.... there really isn't a logical path in that to you talking about not needing a dGPU, the only thing anyone can take away from that is that your pointing at the TDP of what we are talking about.
 
Anyway:

You know how AMD keep saying what is happening now and in the future is planed years, perhaps a decade in advanced?

2011: Accelerated Processing Unit (APU)
2014: Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA)
2015: HBM
2016: Infinity Fabric
2019: Chiplet Architecture.

2021 it all comes together.
 
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