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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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clv101 said:
Yeah, but why are those people with perfectly decent 3000 systems getting involved in all this launch week nonsense with hiked pricing and delivery uncertainty. Why not wait until things calm down in a few weeks or for new, better value SKUs in the spring.
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20% perf improvement is not to be sniffed at esp if you can keep the rest of the system.
 
clv101 said:
Yeah, but why are those people with perfectly decent 3000 systems getting involved in all this launch week nonsense with hiked pricing and delivery uncertainty. Why not wait until things calm down in a few weeks or for new, better value SKUs in the spring.
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For a few reasons. If like me, you have a number of systems on AM4 you can filter down the CPU. The motherboard from the system in my sig will become an upgrade for a NAS and the CPU will upgrade a Ryzen 1600. The main reason though is probably the performance up lift.

Anything coming in spring is probably going to be slower, although I think we’ll see Threadripper and EPYC parts before the non X AM4 chips.
 
clv101 said:
Yeah, but why are those people with perfectly decent 3000 systems getting involved in all this launch week nonsense with hiked pricing and delivery uncertainty. Why not wait until things calm down in a few weeks or for new, better value SKUs in the spring.
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I can only assume jumping into it now, so they can go 5000 5xx 6xxx when the GPUs launch later in the month.
I think I'll personally wait until Spring.
 
humbug said:
WTF? the most popular CPU, by far is the 5900X, the least popular the 5600X.

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This just tells you how many cpus are on pre-order, not how many have been sold. Maybe they had more 5600x's to sell in the first instance, hence less cpus moving to pre-order.
 
humbug said:
WTF? the most popular CPU, by far is the 5900X, the least popular the 5600X.

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clv101 said:
Yeah, I don't understand people. Unless you are focused on heavily multi-threaded stuff (which most of as aren't) then the 5600X is the best deal. Those who are heavily into multi-threaded stuff probably already have a 12 or 16 core 3000 series, little point in upgrading. Who's buying all those 5900X? Guess a win for AMD's marketing department and the successful upselling.
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Future-proof. More cores gives you freedom not to fear any potential micro-stutter. You can game, multi-task, run Windows tasks in the background with zero threat of micro-stutter.



clv101 said:
Yeah, but why are those people with perfectly decent 3000 systems getting involved in all this launch week nonsense with hiked pricing and delivery uncertainty. Why not wait until things calm down in a few weeks or for new, better value SKUs in the spring.
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It has been a long time since SemiAccurate used a CPU that felt significantly faster than the last one. AMD’s Ryzen 5000 line with their new Zen 3 core did just that.

Lets start out our look at the AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs by saying we are getting back in to testing after a long absence and there are a lot of teething problems, things that are missing, and much to relearn. We only had a short time to play with a fully working Ryzen 5950 system but it impressed us. The boot speed of Linux Mint 20 was so fast it was noticeable, literally a fraction of the time it takes on our main daily system. Much of this is down to the PCIe4 SSD but the CPUs have to process that data when it comes in.

Within a few minutes of fooling around on the system, an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X on an Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master with a Samsung 980 Pro PCIe4 SSD and 16GB of GSkill Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600 memory the system was running at 4.5GHz on all cores at 1.25v. Not bad. Jacking the memory up to DDR4-4000 reliably booted to desktop but crashed a few hours into the benchmark run so no numbers until we have time to relearn a lot of things.
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https://semiaccurate.com/2020/11/07/a-long-look-at-amds-zen-3-core-and-chips/
 
amigafan2003 said:
This just tells you how many cpus are on pre-order, not how many have been sold. Maybe they had more 5600x's to sell in the first instance, hence less cpus moving to pre-order.
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This X 10000, it tells you nothing other than how much stock they didn't have at launch. The 5600X likely had the most stock at launch, the most stock incoming and out of those three it (combined with it's non-X version if they release it) will ultimately sell more over its lifetime by an order of magnitude.
 
Future proof

Buyers of 3900x used these words not 15 months ago. Future is now. Yes 3900x is not quite obsolete, still a good CPU. But not because it has many cores. Nothing needs 12 cores still. Zen 2 architecture still keeps it relevant. But it is an inferior, almost budget, model now, no offense to owners.
It was as future proof as 3600
 
alec said:
Future proof

Buyers of 3900x used these words not 15 months ago. Future is now. Yes 3900x is not quite obsolete, still a good CPU. But not because it has many cores. Nothing needs 12 cores still. Zen 2 architecture still keeps it relevant. But it is an inferior, almost budget, model now, no offense to owners.
It was as future proof as 3600
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Your CPU is only future proof when there is very little IPC gains happening in the industry.

That's how those old as Intel quad cores were viable for so long, because there was very little ICP changes between them. But because AMD is delivering 20% IPC and higher clocks every year, it becomes really difficult to future proof.

Adding extra cores is great but it takes years for game developers to catch up. Adding 20% extra IPC you get the advantage straight away, no changes to the game needs to be made. Intel delivering something like 10% IPC gain between 2014 and 2019, that's why a 2014 Intel CPU is still decent for gaming. But now a Ryzen 1000 from 2017 looks pretty bad already and thats because every year AMD gives us 20% IPC improvement
 
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Grim5 said:
That's old as Intel quad cores were viable for so long, because there was very little ICP changes between them. But because AMD is delivering 20% IPC and higher clocks every year, it becomes really difficult to future proof.
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How long do you think it'll be until say a 3900X or 5600X becomes irrelevant? It sounds as if you mean future proofing in terms of keeping up in relative performance but surely it's performance relative to the tasks you're doing that matters and on that basis I wouldn't have worried about any of these chips becoming obsolete for many years...
 
Gee said:
Any thoughts on the 5800X fiasco on Reddit at the moment? A lot of angry neckbeards raging that their 5800X's are running too hot and that it's a 'hardware issue'.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jri8ys/why_so_many_conflicting_reports_on_5800x_temps/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jrm4fa/5800x_running_hot_with_a_arctic_liquid_freezer_ii/
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In another forum some people thought that it may have to do with thermal paste use.
The hotspots on the Ryzen CPU are more spread out as in, say, intel chips, and that using more than "normal" amount mitigates the issue.
 
Maybe I'm being dumb then lol, couldn't find the setting. I don't think it's on by default as I've done benchmarks when I boot into Windows and then again after enabling PBO via Ryzen Master
 
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