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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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https://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20200420000347-260206?chdtv

Processor manufacturer American Supermicro (AMD) will launch Zen 3 architecture processors in the second half of the year. Among them, the Ryzen 4000 series processors, the mainstream desktop market code-named Vermeer, will still maintain AM4 processor pins and sockets. That is, in addition to supporting the new 600 series chipset, it can also support 400 and 500 series chipsets backwards.

The legal person stated that Xiangshuo (5269) almost took orders for 400 to 600 series chipsets. This year's revenue and profit will hit a record high simultaneously, challenging to earn more than 2.5 share capital throughout the year.

Thanks to the robust shipment of B550 / A520 chipsets, Xiangshuo's consolidated revenue in March increased by 16.2% to 702 million yuan, an increase of 114.4% over the same period of last year and a record high. 1.586 billion yuan, an increase of 51.3% over the same period last year, also hit a record high quarterly revenue. The legal person is optimistic that the single-quarter net profit per share is expected to earn more than 6 yuan, and will earn more than 2.5 share capital throughout the year. Xiangshuo does not comment on the estimated financial figures of the legal person.

Supermicro has completed the design of the Zen 3 architecture processor. Compared with the previous generation Zen 2 architecture, the number of processor cores is equivalent, but the process is optimized to support extreme ultraviolet (EUV) 7+ nanometers to improve the core clock and Reduce power consumption. According to OEM factory information, Supermicro will launch the Zen 3 architecture processor in the second half of the year, which means that the 7-nanometer chip production for TSMC in the second half of the year will flourish until the end of the year.

According to the plan of the ultra-micro technology blueprint, the Zen 3 architecture processor to be launched in the second half of this year includes the third-generation EPYC server processor code-named Milan, the Ryzen 4000 series processor of the mainstream desktop market R & D code-named Vermeer, And the Ryzen Threadripper 4000 series of high-end desktop computers (HEDT) code-named Genesis Peak.

As Intel's 14nm and 10nm capacity is still invested in mid-to-high-end servers and consumer processors this year, the mid-to-low-end desktop market is still in short supply. The market is optimistic that after the launch of Super Micro Vermeer, it will continue to expand the desktop market x86 Market share of the device. The industry expects that desktop computers equipped with Vermeer processors will be launched before the Christmas season in the fourth quarter. This will be the last processor from AMD to support AM4 sockets. Zen 4 architecture processors launched in 2021 will begin to support AM5 slot.

Supermicro will introduce 600 series chipsets for Vermeer processors, including high-end X670, mid-range B650, and low-end A620. The biggest feature is the native support for PCIe Gen 4 and USB 4 and other high-speed transmission interfaces. Since the Vermeer processor still uses the AM4 socket, it supports the 400 and 500 series chipsets backwards.

The legal person stated that the Supermicro 400 series chipsets are all produced by Xiangshuo, and the mid-range B550 and low-level A520 of the 500 series chipsets are manufactured by Xiangshuo. It is expected that all 600-series chipsets orders will also be won by Xiangshuo. It is expected to enter mass production in the second half of the year. Based on this calculation, as Supermicro Vermeer begins mass production and shipments and expands its market share, Xiangshuo will directly benefit, and orders will continue to flourish until the second half of the year.
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LePhuronn said:
There was no point in MSI doing the MAX range then...I don't buy it. There's nothing in Zen 3 that physically wouldn't or couldn't work on AM4, besides the BIOS size limitations we already saw with Zen 2.
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Techdeals guy says that this will be Intel level moaning on Thursday. I am not happy at all,but AMD has done this sort of crap before.

They tend to make the CPUs fit in many sockets,but change sockets in stupid ways.

AM2,AM3+,AM3,AM3+,FM2,FM2+ and also stuff such as socket 754 and FM1.

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Also since a German laptop OEM said B450 should work with Zen3,this would be something artificially done by AMD.

Second Edit!!

Its not only Techdeals guy I heard some other hints about this. Linus was going to say something too.
 
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3 CPU's on the same socket / Chipset, AMD promised 4.

Ok fine, if swapping to a new Chipset with Ryzen 4000 is necessary for AMD to bring advancements to market i'm all ok with that.

no one serious would want AMD to hold back advents to retain chipset compatibility......
 
humbug said:
3 CPU's on the same socket / Chipset, AMD promised 4.

Ok fine, if swapping to a new Chipset with Ryzen 4000 is necessary for AMD to bring advancements to market i'm all ok with that.

no one serious would want AMD to hold back advents to retain chipset compatibility......
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It isn't and Intel uses the same rubbish excuse. Schenker who makes laptops said B450 is fine.

Zen is an SOC and power requirements are low. The first leaked B550 motherboards have basic VRMs so it's not a power requirement.

It is the fault of AMD for 12 months for not selling a mainstream 500 series chipset. It means most zen2 buyers like CFL buyers had one generation of CPUs on their motherboards.

B550 is an ASMedia chipset. It looks very similar to B450.

So I hope all the AMD fans calling out Intel IF AMD artificially locks out the B450 motherboards now don't mock Intel.
 
humbug said:
If AMD are artificially forcing a new chipset then yes they should be called out on it...
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The issue is also,Zen4 is DDR5,so what is the upgrade path for the B550?

AMD could try and do a hybrid memory controller but the CPU might be limited by DDR4.

It makes more sense to keep compatability on DDR4 chipsets because if people have to change motherboards,Intel will be an option too. Also someone might be more likely to buy a new CPU if they can slot it in.If not needing to buy a new motherboard probably will make people stick longer with what they have. With the way things are going in the world economy AMD are making another PR blunder if they try this.
 
After the next CPU i.e Ryzen 4000 the AM4 socket is dead, in the sense that there will be no more new CPUs for that socket. This is something that AMD told us before the Ryzen 1000 generation launched.
 
opethdisciple said:
After the next CPU i.e Ryzen 4000 the AM4 socket is dead, in the sense that there will be no more new CPUs for that socket. This is something that AMD told us before the Ryzen 1000 generation launched.
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Yep, as far as i see it AMD has absolutely kept to their word on this. The problem for anyone buying a 550 chipset is that it's far too late to the party and they would have got better value actually going x570 earlier on.
 
It's not late to the party if B550 runs through to the end of next year. I don't think we'll see a 600 series, rather a X570 refresh to get rid of all the PCIe 4 retimers.

The quibble is the semantics on what AMD said before Ryzen 1000 launched - did they say "AM4 to 2020" or "AM4 through 2020"? Does it actually matter? Because if you take Covid out of the equation, Zen 3 lands in 2020, it's still 2020 so supporting AM4 to or through 2020 is neither here nor there. And Zen 3 is an evolution of Zen 2, why would it suddenly require a brand new chipset?

Now it's not outside the realm of possibility AMD will pull some **** and do a 1 generation motherboard purely for Zen 3 desktop, but how likely is that really? Why derail the momentum they have right now by pulling stupid **** like that? It was bad enough AMD got the Threadripper crowd crying they only got 2 generations before the motherboards changed, are AMD gonna upset the desktop space too?

Zen 3 desktop will be supported by 400 and 500 series boards. There just isn't a reason to think otherwise.
 
It's one generation for all the mainstream buyers who bought a B450 with a Zen2 CPU. If AMD does this,Intel is the winner. I also expect more mainstream buyers,will probably not spend as much on a motherboard,as what is the point if AMD can't overclock much,and they have shorter chipset lives similar to Intel??

If Intel PR is awake,they should says 10NM Intel CPUs work with the new 400 series chipsets,and that would be a PR win.

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If AMD does this,they are acting like Intel. PCI-E 4.0 from B450 motherboards was dropped by forcing OEMs not to have it in later BIOSes.

The B550A has limited PCI-E 4.0 and is a B450 rebadge,and the B550 looks to be an ASMedia chipset which requires no cooling and has PCI-E 4.0,so AMD is going back to some of its earlier stuff.

Remember,socket 754 or socket FM1?? Or the whole AM2/AM2+ and AM3/AM3+ "changes" which were a bit dubious.

AMD historically had good CPU compatibility across sockets,but not good motherboard compatibility across sockets.
 
humbug said:
3 CPU's on the same socket / Chipset, AMD promised 4.

Ok fine, if swapping to a new Chipset with Ryzen 4000 is necessary for AMD to bring advancements to market i'm all ok with that.

no one serious would want AMD to hold back advents to retain chipset compatibility......
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They didn't promise 4 at all. They promised till 2020 and tbh were not clear if it meant chips in that year or just support within that year.
 
If I had just bought a MSI Tomahawk board and was told I couldn't upgrade to 4000, I'd be really mad. I hope this isn't the case.
 
GregI said:
If I had just bought a MSI Tomahawk board and was told I couldn't upgrade to 4000, I'd be really mad. I hope this isn't the case.
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I have a B450I Strix with a 6 phase CPU VRM,so should be OK too and the first pictures of the proper B550 motherboards look like a cheap B450 motherboard. At least I bought mine in the Ryzen 2000 era,so I have an upgrade in a Zen2 CPU,but if someone recently bought a Zen2 CPU,this would be an Intel move.

I hope it's a miscommunication!
 
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