AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[FoxEye]

Steve From Hardware Unboxed also hinted at an AMD NDA he couldn't talk about, can't remember which video it was, one of the recent Q&A's.

Jim from Adored TV also mentioned that he is under an AMD NDA on the latest episode of the podcast.

I genuinely don't understand why all these "news" and tech sites voluntarily put themselves under AMD/Intel/whoever NDA.

Are they just worried they won't get "free" review samples?

Surely it just makes them more likely to tow the line if they're so afraid of not getting free stuff/inside stories, such that they'll sign any NDA they're given.

I'd have to question their integrity to keep signing these NDAs.

 

[Gerard]

I genuinely don't understand why all these "news" and tech sites voluntarily put themselves under AMD/Intel/whoever NDA.

Are they just worried they won't get "free" review samples?

Surely it just makes them more likely to tow the line if they're so afraid of not getting free stuff/inside stories, such that they'll sign any NDA they're given.

I'd have to question their integrity to keep signing these NDAs.

NDA's have been the norm for years in hardware reviews, would be pointless for them to "tow the line" as it'll bite them in the ass as soon as consumers get the product.

 

[Gerard]

If the 4k series isn't compatible with x370 a 3900x might be a decent upgrade.

 

[FoxEye]

NDA's have been the norm for years in hardware reviews, would be pointless for them to "tow the line" as it'll bite them in the ass as soon as consumers get the product.

Yes and we've seen in that time NDAs that control the way the product can be reviewed. Even going so far as to stipulate things that cannot be included in the review.

Signing any kind of NDA is agreeing to be bound by whatever restrictions the manufacturer might choose to impose on your review. In exchange for free review samples and early access.

 

[ADP]

QUESTION: "Anything you shouldn't buy.."

ANSWER: "If you are planning to buy a 3600x with the plans to upgrade to a zen 3..... Can't tell you"


If Zen 3 is AM4 compatible, then why not just say a Zen 3 cpu should be a good upgrade path from a Zen 2 cpu. How would that be breaking any NDA's?

BUT, If Zen 3 isn't AM4 compatible, then that could be breaking an NDA revealing a new socket type.

 

[FoxEye]

QUESTION: "Anything you shouldn't buy.."

ANSWER: "If you are planning to buy a 3600x with the plans to upgrade to a zen 3..... Can't tell you"


If Zen 3 is AM4 compatible, then why not just say a Zen 3 cpu should be a good upgrade path from a Zen 2 cpu. How would that be breaking any NDA's?

BUT, If Zen 3 isn't AM4 compatible, then that could be breaking an NDA revealing a new socket type.

At the same time you can't rule out anything (and everything) simply being a means to get more clicks, sadly.

 

[Gerard]

Yes and we've seen in that time NDAs that control the way the product can be reviewed. Even going so far as to stipulate things that cannot be included in the review.

Signing any kind of NDA is agreeing to be bound by whatever restrictions the manufacturer might choose to impose on your review. In exchange for free review samples and early access.

Nvidia nda's maybe,not heard about anything on the cpu front for a long time. Pity hardocp is no longer about as they routinely reported on stuff like this.

 

[ianh]

I genuinely don't understand why all these "news" and tech sites voluntarily put themselves under AMD/Intel/whoever NDA.

Are they just worried they won't get "free" review samples?

Generally the people who get reviews out first get the most money from views/clicks etc and it takes days of testing, editing etc to make a decent review. So Non-NDA reviewers have to wait until the chip is released, physically get one and any new equipment like MoBo's etc needed to run it, do the tests, film and edit etc which means that, by the time their review is ready, approx 5-7 days have passed since the NDA reviewers (who had their stuff for 1-3 weeks before release) have released their reviews, soaking up the vast majority of the views/clicks etc.

So it's simple economics - be independent and make far less money or sign the NDA and make more money.

After the NDA is signed it's then upto how "trustworthy" you believe each different reviewer is, so for example I trust Youtubers like Gamers Nexus, LTT, Jays2Cents, Bitwit etc to handle the NDA in the best way possible for their viewers having seen them seriously hammer bad products they were testing before, because if they lie or omit data on just one item and viewers get stung, then thats is the death of their channel and their income.

It all comes down to who do you trust to give you the best "unbiased" info, regardless of NDA or not.

 

[ADP]

At the same time you can't rule out anything (and everything) simply being a means to get more clicks, sadly.

If he said that he will reveal all on Wednesday, one day before everyone else, then I will see your point, that would be a way of getting more clicks.

But on Thursday when all the websites will be revealing the news at the same time???

 

[FoxEye]

If he said that he will reveal all on Wednesday, one day before everyone else, then I will see your point, that would be a way of getting more clicks.

But on Thursday when all the websites will be revealing the news at the same time???

You've all already linked and quoted him due to the "intrigue" and mystery of his comment

Just sayin'.

 

[ADP]

You've all already linked and quoted him due to the "intrigue" and mystery of his comment

Just sayin'.

Fair point, Oh well, Thursday isn't too long away.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

QUESTION: "Anything you shouldn't buy.."

ANSWER: "If you are planning to buy a 3600x with the plans to upgrade to a zen 3..... Can't tell you"


If Zen 3 is AM4 compatible, then why not just say a Zen 3 cpu should be a good upgrade path from a Zen 2 cpu. How would that be breaking any NDA's?

BUT, If Zen 3 isn't AM4 compatible, then that could be breaking an NDA revealing a new socket type.

Linus was also going to say something but censored himself too. I hope AMD does not do this but they have done it plenty of times before.

Socket 754 and socket FM1 were one generation. Then there was AM2/AM2+,AM3/AM3+ and FM2/FM2+ which had the stupid scenario where the older CPUs could run in newer motherboards,but the older motherboards had no upgrade path.This was just between the normal and "+" version of the same socket.

 

[nzaptx]

From the techdeals video, he mentioned something like "people love to bitch at intel, but now..." and says a few times expect drama from thursday annoucement.

So it does sound like some bad news, perhaps b and x350/450 won't be zen3 compatible.

 

[Grim5]

From the techdeals video, he mentioned something like "people love to bitch at intel, but now..." and says a few times expect drama from thursday annoucement.

So it does sound like some bad news, perhaps b and x350/450 won't be zen3 compatible.

maybe a vrm issue? Looking at the compatibility list for amd very few boards from pre X570 fully support the 3950x. So if AMD is raising power limits on Zen 3 to get higher clocks then I can belive that a huge amount of old boards y not be compatible.

Having physical socket support doesn't mean the board supports it. In my opinion that fact that a x370/b450 can run so many zen 2 parts is a miracle in its own right and down to the fact that 7nm was a massive efficiency gain. But AMD is already at 7nm so it makes sense that they now need to increased TDP and those old cheap boards where manufacturers cheaper out on VRM can be left behind in the dust

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

maybe a vrm issue? Looking at the compatibility list for amd very few boards from pre X570 fully support the 3950x. So if AMD is raising power limits on Zen 3 to get higher clocks then I can belive that a huge amount of old boards y not be compatible.

Having physical socket support doesn't mean the board supports it. In my opinion that fact that a x370/b450 can run so many zen 2 parts is a miracle in its own right and down to the fact that 7nm was a massive efficiency gain. But AMD is already at 7nm so it makes sense that they now need to increased TDP and those old cheap boards where manufacturers cheaper out on VRM can be left behind in the dust

That is a crap excuse if AMD uses it - my B450I mini-ITX motherboard has a 6 phase CPU VRM so it would be fine. None of that doubled rubbish either and as it is mini-ITX the PCB has more layers too. Plus like Intel they will have lower TDP SKUs so I don't buy it as a VRM problem.

This is what the first leaked B550 motherboards looked like:
https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-b550-motherboard-pictured

Low end VRM,no VRM cooling and no chipset heatsink . If the B450 is locked out then this is an Intel style money grab.

 

[Grim5]

That is a crap excuse if AMD uses it - my B450I mini-ITX motherboard has a 6 phase CPU VRM so it would be fine. None of that doubled rubbish either and as it is mini-ITX the PCB has more layers too. Plus like Intel they will have lower TDP SKUs so I don't buy it as a VRM problem.

A 3950x with PBO ON pulls up to 250w, not every board will handle that without VRM temps getting too toasty. Hardware Unboxed data shows that some b450 boards even with PBO OFF 3950x pulling 140w get up to 100c.

And if the 4950x has higher clocks, it may pull even more power than the 3950x

 

[LeMson]

Didn't some boards do pcie 4 before being bios locked out too? That seems shady if so

 

[Swinbag]

Ouch, that's pretty rough if AMD does pull a fast one on the B450 boards - so many people looking for build advice here and elsewhere were advised (rightly or wrongly) to "just buy a Tomahawk/ Mortar and pop in a 4XXX series CPU in when they are released".

Glad I ended up waiting in the end - be interesting to see how this pans out.

 

[Boot_Loop]

A 3950x with PBO ON pulls up to 250w, not every board will handle that without VRM temps getting too toasty. Hardware Unboxed data shows that some b450 boards even with PBO OFF 3950x pulling 140w get up to 100c.

And if the 4950x has higher clocks, it may pull even more power than the 3950x

What nause would try to pair a 16-core with a cheap B450 mobo? Those are for pros and content creators that wouldnt make such a ridiculous purchase to save $100 lol.

 

[Bounce]

What nause would try to pair a 16-core with a cheap B450 mobo? Those are for pros and content creators that wouldnt make such a ridiculous purchase to save $100 lol.

Well i guess its gives an extra upgrade option to the consumer and its easy just to drop in a cpu as opposed to RIP everything out and start from the beginning. (I.e fresh windows install)