AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

b0rn2sk8 · 2 Dec 2020 at 16:19

Richdog said:
Wow wtf... just checked my local store (non-UK) and very unexpectedly they have an updated delivery status of 03.12-05.12 for the 5900x for the same launch price of £450 (non-UK, converted). I ordered one so I hope it comes through...

Is that £450 with or without tax? what are the VAT/sales tax rates where you live?

If it’s without tax or zero tax then it isn’t the best deal. With tax obviously depends on the rate charged.

Richdog · 2 Dec 2020 at 18:18

Stu said:
Things are definitely looking hopeful this month! The other place are saying they "expect to be able to clear the pre-order queues of 5950X, 5800X and 5600X before the end of the year with the 5900X queue clear by WC 4th January."

Sadly the delivery date changed (grrr) to end of December, so I cancelled the order and will keep my money until they are more readily available.

b0rn2sk8 said:
Is that £450 with or without tax? what are the VAT/sales tax rates where you live?

If it’s without tax or zero tax then it isn’t the best deal. With tax obviously depends on the rate charged.

Don't worry about my prices, it was the cheapest in my country.

Rikmeister · 2 Dec 2020 at 18:44

With discounts on Intel CPUs and AMD shortages (and price rises on older CPUs on the retail market) are Intel the new kings of value for money CPUs?

Joxeon · 2 Dec 2020 at 18:52

Rikmeister said:
With discounts on Intel CPUs and AMD shortages (and price rises on older CPUs on the retail market) are Intel the new kings of value for money CPUs?

Pretty much so.

Stu · 2 Dec 2020 at 20:39

Richdog said:
Sadly the delivery date changed (grrr) to end of December, so I cancelled the order and will keep my money until they are more readily available.

I had mentally prepared myself for February delivery, so I'm feeling pretty good about possibly getting mine by end of Dec, or very early Jan at worst. The memory I want has only just come back in stock, so my hands have been tied up to now in any case. Trying to find a 3080 now...

benparker · 3 Dec 2020 at 08:46

What's the MSRP prices of 5800x and 5900x? Not OC prices.

Richdog · 3 Dec 2020 at 09:06

benparker said:
What's the MSRP prices of 5800x and 5900x? Not OC prices.

It takes you the same time to google "AMD zen3 msrp" as it does to post a question on this forum.

benparker · 3 Dec 2020 at 09:18

Richdog said:
It takes you the same time to google "AMD zen3 msrp" as it does to post a question on this forum.

Some sites show dollar conversions and others probably bumping up price?

RavenXXX2 · 3 Dec 2020 at 11:16

AMD Sold Over 35,000 Ryzen 5000 & Ryzen 3000 CPUs While Intel Only Sold 5000 10th/9th Gen CPUs In November at MindFactory

That Intel mindshare in no more!

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000...l-10th-9th-gen-cpus-in-sales-figure-november/

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b0rn2sk8 · 3 Dec 2020 at 11:33

That’s only in the retail/DIY space which makes up a tiny fraction of the market which is frankly irrelevant. 40,000 CPUs is nothing. In the mobile space Intel stomps AMD in sales, that is a fact. I doubt AMD can even supply anything like the levels needed to dent intels market share.

I say that as an owner of a 5900X before you say I’m a fanboy...

RavenXXX2 · 3 Dec 2020 at 11:36

40,000, now add the rest of the world, AMD domination is full steam ahead.

Nutella33 · 3 Dec 2020 at 11:42

b0rn2sk8 said:
n the mobile space Intel stomps AMD in sales, that is a fact. I doubt AMD can even supply anything like the levels needed to dent intels market share.

AMD laptop space has grown 6% Yoy. they are making a dent, even if its small and restricted by supply

foxrocks · 3 Dec 2020 at 13:36

Rikmeister said:
With discounts on Intel CPUs and AMD shortages (and price rises on older CPUs on the retail market) are Intel the new kings of value for money CPUs?

If I could be bothered to return my B550 board and wasn't waiting on the NR200P case to come into stock anyway, I would probably just switch to an Intel build at this point.

Richdog · 3 Dec 2020 at 13:39

Interesting Intel Rocket Lake news, single threaded performance is similar to Zen3 but multithreaded performance is lower https://wccftech.com/intel-rocket-l...marks-leak-out-on-par-with-amd-ryzen-7-5800x/

pc-guy · 3 Dec 2020 at 13:54

why does their MC score scale so differently.

@Richdog where you based btw?

RBImGuy · 3 Dec 2020 at 13:57

b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s only in the retail/DIY space which makes up a tiny fraction of the market which is frankly irrelevant. 40,000 CPUs is nothing. In the mobile space Intel stomps AMD in sales, that is a fact. I doubt AMD can even supply anything like the levels needed to dent intels market share.

I say that as an owner of a 5900X before you say I’m a fanboy...

AMD is about to make Intel cry even more than they do atm with that field.
supply wafers is atm one issue for amd as they sell everything they make atm.
cant say the same for Intel.

humbug · 3 Dec 2020 at 15:24

AMD sold over 6000 Zen 3 chips at mindfactory.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-s...-intel-at-mf-germany-approx-5000-zen-3-chips/

humbug · 3 Dec 2020 at 15:35

b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s only in the retail/DIY space which makes up a tiny fraction of the market which is frankly irrelevant. 40,000 CPUs is nothing. In the mobile space Intel stomps AMD in sales, that is a fact. I doubt AMD can even supply anything like the levels needed to dent intels market share.

I say that as an owner of a 5900X before you say I’m a fanboy...

They are not doing as bad as you think.

Steam is packed full of people running old Intel systems, its AMD that have steady growth, not Intel, that means those old systems that are being replaced are being replaced by AMD much more than Intel.

Currently at 26% vs 73%. This time last year AMD were at 18%. They are growing at the rate of a percentage point a month.

b0rn2sk8 · 3 Dec 2020 at 15:55

humbug said:
They are not doing as bad as you think.
Steam is packed full of people running old Intel systems, its AMD that have steady growth, not Intel, that means those old systems that are being replaced are being replaced by AMD much more than Intel.

Currently at 26% vs 73%. This time last year AMD were at 18%. They are growing at the rate of a percentage point a month.

I didn’t say they were doing badly, there doing great compared to a few years ago.

What I said was the DIY pc market is a tiny fraction of the market which is dominated by laptops. AMD simply can’t supply enough chips to take a big chunk of the market from Intel. The fact Intel lost Apple to Arm is a bigger blow to their market position than anything AMD is doing in the PC space currently. Apple alone represents 8-10% of the entire PC market share depending on where you look.

What I am trying to say is that Intel are not dieing, there not ‘on the ropes’ or going anywhere anytime soon. Can we please lose that mind set as it’s complete hyperbole.

Again to be clear AMD owner here but I also live in the real world.

humbug · 3 Dec 2020 at 16:06

b0rn2sk8 said:
I didn’t say they were doing badly, there doing great compared to a few years ago.

What I said was the DIY pc market is a tiny fraction of the market which is dominated by laptops. AMD simply can’t supply enough chips to take a big chunk of the market from Intel. The fact Intel lost Apple to Arm is a bigger blow to their market position than anything AMD is doing in the PC space currently. Apple alone represents 8-10% of the entire PC market share depending on where you look.

What I am trying to say is that Intel are not dieing, there not ‘on the ropes’ or going anywhere anytime soon. Can we please lose that mind set as it’s complete hyperbole.

Again to be clear AMD owner here but I also live in the real world.

I never said Intel are dying or on the ropes.

Steam has a lot of prebuilds and laptops, its very difficult for AMD to show growth there as its a snapshot of what everyone already owns, a lot 10+ years old, they fact that they are, in a place also packed with prebuilds and laptops to me shows AMD are spreading like a cancer to Intel.