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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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What's your point?
I keep hoping newer products will improve value for money on older products. This time around that hasn't happened. Also this time around they've decided that their cheapest offering should be £100 more than last gen's.
I'm not interested in AMD's share price or cheering for a sodding corporation. Sorry.
You've had it a decade, a few more years won't matter will it, was my point..
No need to apologise, I don't care what you do with your money.
Are you still hanging on for basic prices? I remember you hanging on for a price drop when the 3600 came out.
You'll never see them again due to the pandemic, massive uptick in purchased and AMD now ******* on Intel's parade. Best look at Intel for your budget prices now.
Never see what again? AMD CPUs under £300?
Seems quite a remarkable prediction. Will this pandemic last forever, then?
No, you never bought 3000 series as it was too much even though the price dipped a good amount in 6 months, then 5000 series came out and you expected similar prices when they smash everything.
I predict you won't see budget AMD pricing again until AMD lag behind which I also can't see for a while.
Either look at another budget option or get a series behind.
Well for starters you're not quite remembering correctly.
I didn't buy a 3600 as I didn't want a 6-core (and still don't, really).
I was going to bite when OcUK did the 3700X for £200, but that was an in-store deal only. Otherwise I would have bought one.
I do not believe the 6-core Zen3 is worth £300 or more, and I do not believe the 5800X is worth £400 or more. So I won't buy at those prices, for sure.
"Smash everything" is more marketing material than accurate info. Zen2 was a decent chuck behind Intel in gaming, and Zen3 is a 20% ish improvement. That's not enough to "smash everything" even if it is enough to overtake in gaming workloads, Intel's last stronghold. The margins in gaming workloads aren't high enough over Intel to be "smashing everything."
I know you didn't buy the 3600 and you clearly stated why you didn't want it then.
What I'm trying to say is that you definitely won't get it now as intel have now fallen behind in basically every way now so it's very unlikely we will see AMD return to budget prices.
I apologise for my previous posts as they probably came across as a bit sharp.
Good luck with which way you choose to go.
No worries. For what it's worth I don't think prices will go down much this year. But I am absolutely determined not to buy at prices I find frankly offensive
When Covid is a memory and demand tends back to normal, perhaps things will get better.
I hate the idea that just to get parity with a console, the current cost of a desktop PC is way above £1k. Heck, your CPU and mobo alone are more than the entire console cost. It's ridiculous.
OTOH I'm aware that many people think nothing of buying a £1k iPhone. They are not me tho
No worries. For what it's worth I don't think prices will go down much this year. But I am absolutely determined not to buy at prices I find frankly offensive
When Covid is a memory and demand tends back to normal, perhaps things will get better.
I hate the idea that just to get parity with a console, the current cost of a desktop PC is way above £1k. Heck, your CPU and mobo alone are more than the entire console cost. It's ridiculous.
OTOH I'm aware that many people think nothing of buying a £1k iPhone. They are not me tho
I can't see it either to be fair. I think the higher prices will be here for longer this time round.
As you say, hopefully as normality resumes (whenever that will be) we do see prices come down a touch.
I have seen open box 5800X got on auction sites from a well known retailer for £295 so worth keeping on eye out for those bargains.
No worries. For what it's worth I don't think prices will go down much this year. But I am absolutely determined not to buy at prices I find frankly offensive
When Covid is a memory and demand tends back to normal, perhaps things will get better.
I hate the idea that just to get parity with a console, the current cost of a desktop PC is way above £1k. Heck, your CPU and mobo alone are more than the entire console cost. It's ridiculous.
OTOH I'm aware that many people think nothing of buying a £1k iPhone. They are not me tho
console cost is low due to them make money from games and such to them.
without that the cost would be a lot higher.
320 and 150 euro for a cpu and mboard and running it way faster than a console seems like a good deal to me
Sorry but a 5600X-based PC won't be "way faster" than a console with a comparable GPU. That just PC elitism nonsense.
or an ignorant console forum comment from you?
You're the one suggesting a 6-core will Zen3 will be "way faster" than an 8-core Zen2 in a console - completely ignoring the bare-metal advantage of the console and that the console will be the primary development target platform.
You've not suggested any reason *why* the PC will be "way faster", so I'm putting it down to "PC is best" logic.
Here's what you wrote:
There's nothing there except blind faith that PC will always be faster than console.
Like I said, with a similar GPU, it won't be. The Zen2 in PS5/XSX is a whole different beast to the anaemic PS4 (etc) APUs.
The Xbox Seriews X has a 3700X with a maximum boost clock of 3.8Ghz.
In reality is more like a 3600 Desktop chip.
So: 161 / 125 = 1.288 (+29%)
The 5600X is 29% faster in this CPU heavy game, yes its quite a bit faster.
Aside from your fag-packet maths, you're also completely ignoring the other things I said. Such as the bare-metal advantage or the advantage of being the lead platform. Or the custom SSD and all that other jazz.
No, I don't think a 5600X-based PC will be "much faster" than a console. Unless you pair it with a GPU that vastly outmatches the console GPU.
So no, I refute that spending ~500 Euros on just the CPU + mobo is a "good deal" as the other poster said. It's nonsense.
Just pointing out the premise of this argument is utterly irrelevant.
Value is relative, so if you only play games and do literally nothing else on the computer then a console is always going to be better ‘value’. It always has been and always will be.
As soon as you want to do anything else the argument is pointless because the console can’t do it so offers zero ‘value’.
Value is relative, so if you only play games and do literally nothing else on the computer then a console is always going to be better ‘value’. It always has been and always will be.
As soon as you want to do anything else the argument is pointless because the console can’t do it so offers zero ‘value’.
Only if there's a law that says you can only have one device. I don't recall there being such a law.
Meaning that your existing Office PC will still be able to do office things if you get a console.
Or your old gaming PC (which no longer cuts it in games, but can still run Excel/Photoshop).
The choice for many of us is "upgrade/rebuild gaming PC" or "keep PC and don't upgrade, get console instead". Until somebody puts a gun to my head and says I can only have a console OR a PC, the argument is, in your own words, "utterly irrelevant".
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@FoxEye 3900X's were available Q1 of 2020 for £380.
I know, because I bought two for custom build's at work for some heavy duty machines.
In all honesty, we've never had it this good for CPU's the last year, I mean right now it's a bit meh for buying, but the 5800X was also £380 the other week.
I know, because I bought two for custom build's at work for some heavy duty machines.
In all honesty, we've never had it this good for CPU's the last year, I mean right now it's a bit meh for buying, but the 5800X was also £380 the other week.
£349-59 if you looked in the right places.
They aren't good value though will be the response, as the 3700X could be bought for £199 for one day from one shop in the past. So that is the benchmark apparently.
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