AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[DragonQ]

The tomahawk max page states it will be covered for future CPU upgrades.

https://www.msi.com/blog/msis-max-motherboard-lineup

taken from this page.

e) You want a value-oriented motherboard that’ll support not only the latest AMD releases but will also have you covered for all future AM4 product releases.

Infact this covers all MSI max boards stating support for future AM4 CPU.

Aye, I think any MSI MAX boards will be fine as that was kind of the point they were released in the first place. I think my X470 Taichi Ultimate will probably get Zen 3 support, but likely very late and possibly only one early AGESA. My PRIME X370-PRO is still stuck on AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA so I doubt that'll get any more BIOS updates.

Not making it mandatory for at least B450 boards to support Zen 3 is a dick move though. Not as bad as what Intel does with chipsets, but still bad.

 

[FoxEye]

Welp, I'm glad I waited for the B550 motherboards. Not that I had any idea this was going to happen, but I've never (ever) bought a previous gen motherboard with a current gen chip. And I wasn't about to start now. The X570 being expensive and sometimes *loud* put me right off them.

That said I might end up with X670 (etc) assuming they manage to launch them with the 4000 series (and not 6-12 months later!!).

 

[Joxeon]

Aye, I think any MSI MAX boards will be fine as that was kind of the point they were released in the first place. I think my X470 Taichi Ultimate will probably get Zen 3 support, but likely very late and possibly only one early AGESA. My PRIME X370-PRO is still stuck on AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA so I doubt that'll get any more BIOS updates.

Not making it mandatory for at least B450 boards to support Zen 3 is a dick move though. Not as bad as what Intel does with chipsets, but still bad.

Yeah, I think it will be down to the motherboard manufacturers whether or not to update so boards with the larger 32mb bios should be almost a given unless AMD tries to block this which I can't see happening as it would cause a **** storm of negativity.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Giving 2/3 gens of support to 1st and 2nd gen chipsets isn't pulling an Intel.

If you want to see what pulling an Intel looks like, just take a look at Z390 and Z490.

The problem is if the B550 was out in 2019,then it wouldn't be a problem. But the B450 was the mainstream for Zen2,so 2/3 of the way through the lifespan of Zen2,AMD state,"oh,btw,no zen3 support". They should have just stated it at launch and be done with it.



Then,with slides like that people put a lot of trust in them(yes,there was probably a disclaimer).

Yeah, I think it will be down to the motherboard manufacturers whether or not to update so boards with the larger 32mb bios should be almost a given unless AMD tries to block this which I can't see happening as it would cause a **** storm of negativity.

It should be doable with the 16mb BIOS chips,as many X570 motherboards also use the smaller size. Companies such as MSI do BIOS flashback, so don't need to have full support for old CPUs with a Zen3 BIOS as you don't need a CPU to run the update!

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Then,with slides like that people put a lot of trust in them(yes,there was probably a disclaimer).

Maybe they count the new 4 core chips in that, which ironically wouldn't be an "upgrade"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

OK,it's not looking good at all!!

Maybe they count the new 4 core chips in that, which ironically wouldn't be an "upgrade"

I don't know anymore with vague company PR!

 

[Troezar]

The problem is if the B550 was out in 2019,then it wouldn't be a problem. But the B450 was the mainstream for Zen2,so 2/3 of the way through the lifespan of Zen2,AMD state,"oh,btw,no zen3 support". They should have just stated it at launch and be done with it.



Then,with slides like that people put a lot of trust in them(yes,there was probably a disclaimer).



It should be doable with the 16mb BIOS chips,as many X570 motherboards also use the smaller size. Companies such as MSI do BIOS flashback, so don't need to have full support for old CPUs with a Zen3 BIOS as you don't need a CPU to run the update!

You do realise that diagram shows until the end of 2019? Beginning 2017 to the end of 2019 is three years, not bad support in my book. I think too many people have misread it. If the last date was 2021 then 2020 would have been included. This storm in a teacup is based on hopes rather than promises.

 

[Journey]

You do realise that diagram shows until the end of 2019?

You also realise that that slide says socket AM4? And that the 'new' B550 is still AM4 but will be Zen3 compatible.

There'll be dodgy beta 'in house' testing BIOS's about, and Russian hacker ones no doubt which will work fine before they cave in and allow some form of support.

 

[Eatchipz]

3:15 onwards. Seems like AMD won't be giving AIB the code to even run Zen 3

 

[_Cereal_]

AMD pulling a Intel move alright, way to **** of their loyal customer base.

 

[Eatchipz]

Honestly they have supported the socket for 4 years that's unheard of in the Intel camp. Unfortunately some people are only jumping to AMD in recent times because of the price and performance which just happens to be the end of the life cycle.

Where people who bought in at A320/B350 have had excellent value for money.

 

[_Cereal_]

even MSI website said the b450 MAX would be supported and run future CPUS so yeah, i believe i have every right to be upset at this situation(regardless of it being MSI OR AMD fault), i will blame it on AMD anyways since they are the ones not providing AIBs the code to run ZEN 3, i hope they get plenty of backlash for this.

 

[tamzzy]

the king is dead. Long live the king!

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

As someone who recently upgraded (in the past 5 weeks), I'm more annoyed that the B550 boards are so late. Its one thing if it was an option and personally chose to ignore them in favour of the B450 boards, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't buy one even if i wanted to and there was no information on when they were going to be released.
When i did research this i always knew it was a gamble since they stated upto 2020, I'll just need to keep an eye out on cheap 12/16 core chips then.

 

[MyBrainz]

They did 3 generations, thats 3 years in tech terms. People need to stop complaining, maybe not buy a 3080ti this time around and use the cash saved on a new board for Zen 3

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

As someone who recently upgraded (in the past 5 weeks), I'm more annoyed that the B550 boards are so late. Its one thing if it was an option and personally chose to ignore them in favour of the B450 boards, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't buy one even if i wanted to and there was no information on when they were going to be released.
When i did research this i always knew it was a gamble since they stated upto 2020, I'll just need to keep an eye out on cheap 12/16 core chips then.

They did 3 generations, thats 3 years in tech terms. People need to stop complaining, maybe not buy a 3080ti this time around and use the cash saved on a new board for Zen 3

Look above - almost all Zen2 owners and OEM systems are B450. Not X570,but B450.

Many people got one generation,as AMD on purpose held back the B550 motherboards for 12 months after Zen2 was released. This is entirely the fault of AMD segmenting the chipsets,by holding back B550 until the new Intel launch.

So for those people they had one generation of upgrades like Intel.

I doubt someone who bought a B350 in 2017 is going to complain that their old motherboard can't run Zen3. But when AMD made sure the B450 was the main chipset for Zen2 well into 2020,that is their fault.

OEMs were asking for ages for B550 to be launched from what I have heard,GN and others say.

That is why new B450 motherboards were launched in 2H 2019.

People have forgotten AMD has pulled these stunts many times before. Socket 754,AM2,AM3,FM1 and FM2. Many times in those situations they also hinted that the motherboards might work with the newer CPUs,but then it never happened. They are getting back into their old habits.

 

[MyBrainz]

This is what happens when you're late to the party, it doesnt last as long as it did for those that arrived at the start.

Nothing lasts forever.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is what happens when you're late to the party, it doesnt last as long as it did for those that arrived at the start.

Nothing lasts forever.

Not the problem of purchasers,but the problem of AMD. They decided to actively market B450 as the mainstream Zen2 chipset.

If they CBA to get off their arses and launch a new mainstream chipset for Zen2 in 2019 that is their fault as a company. Intel can launch new chipsets at mainstream for its CPUs,so what is stopping AMD? AMD fans always say nothing is the fault of AMD,whilst mocking Intel for doing the same thing.

They had a year to dispel any notions of support for Zen3 - this is a company which has gone on Twitter to actively dispel any rumours. So their PR just quietly let things go,since they were worried they would lose sales to Intel,if everyone had to factor in a X570 motherboard.

Its the same excuses for their GPUs,AMD is never at fault for their late launches,problems,etc. It's always the users fault,or someone elses. No wonder they can't get traction with OEMs.

But with Intel and Nvidia,its always their fault if something happens. AMD always gets a free pass.

 

[_Cereal_]

when you have motherboard manufacturers literally stating on their official website that the b450 MAX will support future CPUs and then that does not happen..... well yeh... people will be upset, that and the fact that any decent 570 motherboard last year was more expensive than the 3600 which is the CPU most mainstream users bought....

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

when you have motherboard manufacturers literally stating on their official website that the b450 MAX will support future CPUs and then that does not happen..... well yeh... people will be upset, that and the fact that any decent 570 motherboard last year was more expensive than the 3600 which is the CPU most mainstream users bought....

You forget the first line of AMD defence - its the user's fault!

They have taken since June/July last year to actually get the accompanying mainstream chipset for Zen2 to be releaased. They used vague marketing to imply Zen3 would work,you had OEMs such as Schenker saying all was needed was microcode updates,had lots of people saying Zen3 should work.

What did they do?? Just kept quiet,because they knew if they told people B450 would not work beyond Zen2,and you needed an X570 they would loose sales to Intel. They would not have a platform advantage on mainstream compared to Intel,and if you had to buy an X570 motherboard,you could probably get a better Intel CPU for gaming with a cheaper motherboard.