AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[Deleted member 209350]

I get why AMD are doing this, If you're Johnny Normie buying a B450 Tomahawk Max because the whole internet says its a great board and very good value... you pair it with a Zen 3 CPU and it doesn't work, you don't know why that is, you just think its broken and so you send it back, the retailer sends it back to you and charges postage with a note saying "you need to contact AMD so they can send you a loaner CPU so you can update the BIOS" you don't even know what a BIOS is!

If you're Johnny Normie, and the vast majority are you're just going to think AMD suck, you're going to tell your friends AMD suck!

AMD want to avoid that, it craps on enthusiasts like us but if AMD are ever to improve their mandshare this is what has to be done.

What AMD should do is treat their enthusiast community like adults and just say that ^^^.

"Thank you guys for your support but things are changing, sorry. This is why...."

Would Johnny Normie really be that clueless if he's looking to build his own PC?

 

[humbug]

Would Johnny Normie really be that clueless if he's looking to build his own PC?

I was... there is a first time for everyone and the point is had Johnny Normie gone Intel it would just work.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I was... there is a first time for everyone and the point is had Johnny Normie gone Intel it would just work.

I meant in the sense that, nobody just decides to build a pc and starts buying parts randomly... There will be at least some research that goes into it right? Especially these days with the abundance of info thats available on forums like this and on youtube

 

[Joxeon]

I get why AMD are doing this, If you're Johnny Normie buying a B450 Tomahawk Max because the whole internet says its a great board and very good value... you pair it with a Zen 3 CPU and it doesn't work, you don't know why that is, you just think its broken and so you send it back, the retailer sends it back to you and charges postage with a note saying "you need to contact AMD so they can send you a loaner CPU so you can update the BIOS" you don't even know what a BIOS is!

No need for a loan CPU as the tomahawk max has bios flashback so updating the bios without a CPU is no problem.

Although you might encounter that situation with a B550 or X570 without flashback which would also need a bios update to support Zen3.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I meant in the sense that, nobody just decides to build a pc and starts buying parts randomly... There will be at least some research that goes into it right? Especially these days with the abundance of info thats available on forums like this and on youtube

You'd be surprised. A lot of people assume it'll just work; they don't know any better as so much stuff is more or less spoonfed these days.
Back when I worked in retail in years gone by most of the returns were not products which didn't work; they were returns because the customer hadn't done the research, asked questions etc, they'd just bought XYZ and expected it to work.

 

[Haggisman]

I get why AMD are doing this, If you're Johnny Normie buying a B450 Tomahawk Max because the whole internet says its a great board and very good value... you pair it with a Zen 3 CPU and it doesn't work, you don't know why that is, you just think its broken and so you send it back, the retailer sends it back to you and charges postage with a note saying "you need to contact AMD so they can send you a loaner CPU so you can update the BIOS" you don't even know what a BIOS is!

If you're Johnny Normie, and the vast majority are you're just going to think AMD suck, you're going to tell your friends AMD suck!

Instead now, Johnny Normie has bought his B450 Tomahawk Max because the whole internet said its a great board and very good value, and because the manufacturer stated it would work with the next generation of CPU that Johnny Normie was planning to upgrade to in a couple of years, but now he can't, and (quite rightly) feels that he has been lied to and ripped off.

 

[Curlyriff]

Would Johnny Normie really be that clueless if he's looking to build his own PC?

Yep. I know plenty whom can plug parts in and that's simple logic but actually knowing how to sort out a bios and what that is gets them lost because PC's are really pretty close to plug and play these days.

 

[humbug]

I meant in the sense that, nobody just decides to build a pc and starts buying parts randomly... There will be at least some research that goes into it right? Especially these days with the abundance of info thats available on forums like this and on youtube

As @Alexrose1uk said you would be surprised.

People just buy a AMD board and an AMD CPU thinking they would just fit together, they are not expecting to have to #### about with it to get it to work and if that's what they end up having to do its because AMD suck.

 

[Joxeon]

The whole arguement about bios compatability is pointless as B550 and X570 are in the same boat as B450 and X470 when Zen 2 released these boards don't have automatic Zen3 support and will need a bios update to work or a loan CPU.

 

[K4Y84]

AMD replied! B450 and X470 WILL RECEIVE Support for Zen 3.

 

[alec]

oh no, last 10 pages of discussion are now worthless

 

[humbug]

The whole arguement about bios compatability is pointless as B550 and X570 are in the same boat as B450 and X470 when Zen 2 released these boards don't have automatic Zen3 support and will need a bios update to work or a loan CPU.

And this is why Intel change the socket if the CPU doesn't work in the older board without a BIOS change.

 

[Eatchipz]

AMD replied! B450 and X470 WILL RECEIVE Support for Zen 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhVGrLJpoy8

Fair play to AMD! Glad they changed their minds.

 

[random_matt]

We need a new thread then.

 

[Joxeon]

AMD replied! B450 and X470 WILL RECEIVE Support for Zen 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhVGrLJpoy8

Power to the people!.

 

[humbug]

AMD replied! B450 and X470 WILL RECEIVE Support for Zen 3.

Good Grief... all that for nothing. Power to the people indeed...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

They also explicitly stated that the MAX boards would support all future AM4 chips, which is going to leave them in the **** if it turns out they don't!

Must suck to be MSI now!

 

[humbug]

Must suck to be MSI now!

Not anymore ^^

 

[Darujhistan]

I'd have thought if you're happy with whatever Ryzen build you have now, then this debacle would have informed you to wait until you really need an upgrade and get on whatever platform there is in a few years time and skip the incremental upgrades altogether.

 

[LeMson]

We have won!