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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Soldato
It happens in the graphics card front too, but if people are happy paying through the nose for minor performance bumps then let them be 'loyal'.
No, single 7nm CCX atm yields 4C8T. Unless they are able to squeeze more cores on the new 7nm in Zen 3 (4000 series) then the CCX will remain 4C8T that makes only 4C8T has “straight line” performance advantage over other Chiplet design CPU. 6C or 8C CPUs will fall into chiplet design category.
but as I mentioned before if they can somehow implement software level function where the best bin Core and its CCX node can be solely used for gaming then they may end up with exceptional CPUs for gaming and other workloads.
This is wrong. CCX in Zen 3 is 8c16T
Soldato
And even worse, those that think every Intel release is better than the previous. Got into a brief spat with a guy on Facebook who insisted he was buying the 10900K because "he only games and wants the best gaming CPU". OK, fair enough I said, despite pointing out that every benchmark he pointed me at not only had the 9900K beating the 10900K, but also losing a few times to a 3900X when GPU bound. So I said
"well, using YOUR information both the 9900K and 3900X are better than the 10900K"
"Yeah, but it's the latest Intel so it's the best one"
"Sigh. OK, which games do you play and what's the rest of your system?"
"Doesn't matter".
Fine, jog on then you clueless muppet.
Oh, boy are they going to cry hard end of this year...
Soldato
No, the entire point of Zen 3 is the chiplet is being redesigned to use a single 8 core CCX with 32MB (or more) L3 cache shared over the entire thing. That's where most of the IPC bump is coming by eliminating inter-CCX latency.
Soldato
Zen 3 has just an 8 core CCD, no CCX of 4 or even 8 cores.
Soldato
Don't start this one again, dude. Zen 3's CCD comprises a single 8 core CCX with a shared 32MB L3 cache. CCD and CCX are different things. This is not a semantic argument, this is architectural definition.
Oh didn’t realise that was the case. Ok that’s pretty good.
where is this news confirmed btw? I must have missed a pretty significantly piece of fabrication improvement news in this!
and how are they managing the yield in fabrication to provide 8core CCX at mass quantity! Anyway 6C and 4C products must be the inferior ones with disabled cores.
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Soldato
Architecturally 8 core CCX and 8 core CCD are different
When the AMD engineer said "we remove the CCX design completely and use 8 core CCD" then it that. And sticking to my argument until AMD proves me wrong.
No leaks or perception of you or anyone else.
You didn't bother to watch the video last October, so I care less what you take as "semantic argument".
I think your interpretation of the new architecture is right. Anyways wait and see.Architecturally 8 core CCX and 8 core CCD are different
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I can’t get my head around how they can double the core count on the same piece of silicon without shrinking gate size ie going down to 5nm.
Soldato
It truly is, and is something I simply cannot comprehend.
Soldato
But they do not. The chiplet (CCD) would still be an 8 core, it would need 2 of these to make a 16 core CPU like it does now with Zen 2
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I've repeated this as nauseam. I just find it hard to understand the mentality. I'd consider myself an AMD fan (always love the underdogs) yet own an Intel/Nvidia system because the offered the performance at what I deemed a reasonable price at the time of purchase. That should be the only consideration!
The argument that buying the absolute fastest CPU for gaming means it'll last longer when faster GPUs come along to accompany them and remove the bottleneck is fine, except that many who've said that upgrade serially and long before the difference has any meaningful impact.
Each to their own and all that, sometimes the upgrade itch gets too strong!
Agreed. The magic happens had the architecture level not the fabrication level.But they do not. The chiplet (CCD) would still be an 8 core, it would need 2 of these to make a 16 core CPU like it does now with Zen 2
anyways let’s see how they perform when they come out....
Soldato
Is this the video that doesn't exist any more linked to on a post nobody can find? And yet literally everybody talks about 8 core Core Complex residing on the chiplet, always has done, and continue to do so. So yes, a CCX and a CCD are totally different things.Architecturally 8 core CCX and 8 core CCD are different
When the AMD engineer said "we remove the CCX design completely and use 8 core CCD" then it that. And sticking to my argument until AMD proves me wrong.
No leaks or perception of you or anyone else.
You didn't bother to watch the video last October, so I care less what you take as "semantic argument".
Now it's possible that this removal of the Core Complex design is on the cards for Zen 4. It's been suggested the chiplet design (you know, the CCD) is going to radically change for Zen 4. Also bear in mind that there was a lot of things discussed for Zen 3 that have since been bumped, specifically SMT4, so it's entirely possible that the AMD engineer in your mythical video was correct back in October but it's since changed. We don't know if Zen 3 is even sampling yet, so there has been a realistic timeframe to go from dumping the CCX design in Q3 2019 to merely refining it for a Q4 2020 release.
You do that, you clearly must love being the company of 1.
Soldato
The video was posted as a respond to you back in October. But you didn't watched it burring your head to the sand.
Keep going.
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