*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

[Absolutely Clueless]

Im not usually an early adopter for things, but AM5 is definitely one of those that im glad I didnt get into ith the 7000 series. Despite good performance, it wasnt a big enough leap but the constant issues along with the price point was quite off putting. Im more likely going to go for the 8000 series, if not the 9000 by which time the jump from my 5800x should be a huge jump

Agreed. I jumped on the AM4 bandwagon with the 5900X and have had zero issues in 2.5 years, but that was the end of the platform, so maybe my expectations were too high for AM5. However... AMD seems to be pretty bad with software across the board on both CPUs and GPUs. I will most likely buy zen 5 and then upgrade to zen 6 v-cache assuming it is supported.

 

[Capitano]

Agreed. I jumped on the AM4 bandwagon with the 5900X and have had zero issues in 2.5 years, but that was the end of the platform, so maybe my expectations were too high for AM5. However... AMD seems to be pretty bad with software across the board on both CPUs and GPUs. I will most likely buy zen 5 and then upgrade to zen 6 v-cache assuming it is supported.

would like to see them really get a big generational leap with this next gen, and a similarly big jump the following revision.

saying that, we need cpu performance to be at the point where instead of 1080p, that it actually affects 1440p pretty massively.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

So, anyone know of any obvious issues with the AS Rock X670E Steel Legend?
One of the M.2 slots doesn't have a heatsink on it, but I only plan to populate 3 m.2 slots anyway and use the 4th to upgrade a drive if needed.
Doesn't have the Intel Ethernet as far as I can tell (which I believe is a good thing?). Has 2 USB3.0 internal connectors (which is handy for me).
BIOS might not be the best is about the worst I've seen about it I think. Maybe poor performance on the lower m.2 drives but not seen that mentioned too much.

 

[Jive-Zombie]

Is there something wrong with the amd chipset software?

I recently got a new system built from ocuk but the only thing installed was the ryzen master software.

I downloaded the chipset software installer from the amd website to install a driver for the amd gpio controller (driver was out of date and had issues) for my asus tuf B650 plus.

I opened the installer a few times to check the driver versions with the ones I already had in device manager. It says the other gpio controller driver 3.0.0.0 (promontory) is not installed but device manager says it is.

The amd chipset software is now listed in the control panel but there's no app. I tried to uninstall the software but it won't let me and it also tells me there are no drivers.

Also one of the times I opened the installer it pinned 4 folders to quick access in windows explorer.

 

[Dg834man]

The amd chipset software is now listed in the control panel but there's no app.

its a collection of drivers its not an app.

 

[Grim5]

More related to AM6 but don't want to start a new thread for that so many years early

AMD announced in 2026 it will switch to open source firmware for AM6

Apart from the implications that has for agesa and having the community fix issues for you; it also puts a life on AM5 - AM5 will be replaced with AM6 in 2026

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

More related to AM6 but don't want to start a new thread for that so many years early

AMD announced in 2026 it will switch to open source firmware for AM6

Apart from the implications that has for agesa and having the community fix issues for you; it also puts a life on AM5 - AM5 will be replaced with AM6 in 2026

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

So AM5 is only two generations - Zen4 and Zen5. Maybe they can now make the motherboards cheaper!

 

[theforce]

So AM5 is only two generations - Zen4 and Zen5. Maybe they can now make the motherboards cheaper!

We had Zen, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3 on AM4. I hope for at least three generations of processors on AM5, one can be a minor upgrade like Zen+
With rumours of DDR6 also coming out around that time, it would be logical for AMD to release a new socket in 2026.

 

[Boomstick777]

Realistically I can't see myself upgrading CPU for a few years, got a 7900X AMD Build and an Intel i5 12400F Build and they are both so fast and efficient, that I can't see any reason to upgrade. It's still interesting to follow new releases and I will be swapping GPUs still.

 

[RBImGuy]

So AM5 is only two generations - Zen4 and Zen5. Maybe they can now make the motherboards cheaper!

well, price is relative...

We had Zen, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3 on AM4. I hope for at least three generations of processors on AM5, one can be a minor upgrade like Zen+
With rumours of DDR6 also coming out around that time, it would be logical for AMD to release a new socket in 2026.

seems plausible

Realistically I can't see myself upgrading CPU for a few years, got a 7900X AMD Build and an Intel i5 12400F Build and they are both so fast and efficient, that I can't see any reason to upgrade. It's still interesting to follow new releases and I will be swapping GPUs still.

bought the 7600x 7months ago, works absolutly flawlessly.
ordered a 7800x3d to be set for likely 3 years.
I just want the x3d tech, I could have set for the 5800x3d but its always good to have options if the zen5 rocks really hard x3d wise..

edit: New bios today 1616, flashed and works.

 

[g67575]

I have a technical question about the latest (stable) AGESA BIOS version (1.0.0.7a).

Could limiting the SOC voltage on this BIOS version (as discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/13d3eok/agesa_1007_rolled_back_1007a_with_limits/) cause instability?

Yesterday I updated my BIOS version to the latest ASRock stable BIOS, with the latest AGESA version, and the system was no longer stable in AIDA64, I could only get the system stable by reducing the DDR5 RAM speed to 5600 MT/s (down from 6000 MT/s).

After lots of testing, I decided to revert back to a beta BIOS that released in January 2023 (with AGESA 1.0.0.4), this has been the only BIOS that has provided stable performance with my PG Lightning motherboard, DDR5 6000 RAM and Ryzen 7700X CPU.

If there are VSOC related issues, AMD may have to consider letting people configure it above 1.3v.

 

[g67575]

It looks like there are still quite a lot of problems with the latest AGESA code versions, based on this:

Instead of AGESA 1.0.9.0 (internal) there is now AGESA1.0.0.7a with three important changes | igor´sLAB

There are always challenges that the company has to overcome in connection with AGESA (AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture). The exact causes of the problems with AGESA 1.0.7.0…

www.igorslab.de

In the case of some CPUs, it looks like increasing the curve optimiser (PBO) setting above 0 can help with stability (which increases the voltage a bit).

It's a bit disappointing really...

 

[g67575]

<delete please>

 

[Grim5]

That's why amd is getting rid of agesa, and making bios and chipset open source. But this won't happen until AM6 in 2026 so we're stuck with agesa for 3 more years

 

[Vulture]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-79...4-cores-128-mb-3d-v-cache-enthusiast-laptops/ I dreamt about this, inquired if it will ever become available. With this product, they will crush Intel, and even without 3dcache, they are considerably more efficient, but with it, they will be incomparably more powerful, and with 16 real cores.

 

[Nutty667]

Finally updated to a Zen4.

Skylake 6600K -> 7700
Asus B650E-F mobo, Corsair Dominator 6000 Expo.

Didn't have a single issue, lockup, bluescreen or anything going straight to new Bios, set Expo and install Win 11.
Absolutely flies compared to old system!

Wacked on a -10 all core PBO. Temps seem not too bad, but it heats up fast. Averaging around mid 60's with 360 AIO cooler.

Now I just need a new GPU for Starfield

 

[FredFlint]

Finally updated to a Zen4.

Skylake 6600K -> 7700
Asus B650E-F mobo, Corsair Dominator 6000 Expo.

Didn't have a single issue, lockup, bluescreen or anything going straight to new Bios, set Expo and install Win 11.
Absolutely flies compared to old system!

Wacked on a -10 all core PBO. Temps seem not too bad, but it heats up fast. Averaging around mid 60's with 360 AIO cooler.

Now I just need a new GPU for Starfield

That’s a nice upgrade. How is the onboard NIC? I have the Asus B650E-E mobo and the NIC was fine for a few months, then after a BIOS update it started having issues. I now use a USB 1Gb NIC but have to disable the onboard NIC in the BIOS or the USB one has the same issues. Also seen forum post from people using WIFI with the same issue.

 

[Nutty667]

That’s a nice upgrade. How is the onboard NIC? I have the Asus B650E-E mobo and the NIC was fine for a few months, then after a BIOS update it started having issues. I now use a USB 1Gb NIC but have to disable the onboard NIC in the BIOS or the USB one has the same issues. Also seen forum post from people using WIFI with the same issue.

I was a bit concerned about the Intel nic, since a friend has a Zen 4 board and he's had nothing but trouble from the Intel NIC.
I've not had any issues soo far, but I'm only plugged into a gigabit switch. Not tried faster speeds.

Unless there's any real need, I don't think I'll upgrade BIOS again.

 

[FredFlint]

I was a bit concerned about the Intel nic, since a friend has a Zen 4 board and he's had nothing but trouble from the Intel NIC.
I've not had any issues soo far, but I'm only plugged into a gigabit switch. Not tried faster speeds.

Unless there's any real need, I don't think I'll upgrade BIOS again.

I was using 1Gb for the NIC as my rooter is quite old, it seems to be more of an ASUS+Intel issue. I don’t know if the new BIOS (was 2 or 3 months ago) was the problem though, could have been but others have been having issues since day one. Anyway, its an easy fix, just get a £10 USB 1Gb NIC and disable the intel one in the BIOS. Other than that, my B650E has been mostly solid.

 

[Nutty667]

The only issue I did have was installing Windows 11, it tries to contact the internet, but it seems it didn't have the right driver to enable the NIC at that point. It seems to be quite a common issue on the web. Had to enter some Dos-foo to get past it.. Then when I got into Windows 11, it had a popup saying "This motherboard has a pre-loaded LAN driver, do you want to install it?" Would've been useful if it did that during the install.