They are so far behind at the low end/entry level MT that there is no way to catch-up without adding more cores. The 8600x would need to be 8 cores, 8700x 10 cores
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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They are so far behind at the low end/entry level MT that there is no way to catch-up without adding more cores. The 8600x would need to be 8 cores, 8700x 10 cores
According to MLID AMD has the 16 core ccx working but they may not use it. He gives a variety of options but the 8950x could still be 8+8 or it could be 16 or it could be 16+8 or 16+16. Basically he has no idea how many cores Zen5 desktop will have so he throws out every possible combo he can guess and then later he'll make a video saying "look guys I was right!"
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Tsmc "4nm" is just a refined and more expensive version of their 5nm, and it's 5% to 10% better
They should have called it 5nm Pro Max or 5nm Ultra
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AMD says it's considering using chiplets for APU's but for now are waiting for cost and power efficiency of chiplets to improve more
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AMD to consider chiplet design for mainstream mobile APUs once it's more cost-effective and power-efficient - VideoCardz.com
AMD’s chiplet strategy in laptops: balancing innovation and power efficiency. AMD says that chiplet design for mainstream mobile APUs is challenging due to power constraints. The chiplet approach has been instrumental in the success of the Ryzen CPU series. In the domain of laptops, AMD is...
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First Zen5 8950x benchmark leak, shows 10% improvement over 7950x in single core and 15% in multicore in Cinebench
www.notebookcheck.net
Zen 5 flagship Ryzen 9 8950X outperforms 14th-gen Core i9-14900K in leaked single and multi-core Cinebench 2024 tests
Cinebench 2024 Multi-Core and Single-Core scores for the Ryzen 9 8950X have leaked courtesy of RedGamingTech. The results allege the purported Zen 5 flagship to be up to 10% faster than the Ryzen 9 7950X while also beating the Core i9-13900K and even the Core i9-14900K in the multi-threaded test.
www.notebookcheck.net
X3D is all about gaming performance, unfortunately the link I posted only contains cinebench numbers which isn't particularly reflective of games. I plan on switching to one of the X3D chips myself
Do you perhaps have a link to where they've committed to specific architectures?
The only one I could find is AMD saying they'll support AM5 through 2025, which I interpret as whatever CPUs are released until the end of 2025, be that ZenXYZ. So if Zen6 is not supported it would need to be released some time in 2026 and assuming Zen5 is 2024 that would be quite a long wait between Zen5 and 6 just to avoid the commitment to not bringing in AM6 till 2026
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This kind of thing is moving much faster than in previous years, the PCIE communication standard is even crazier
You know how we just got pcie5 boards like a year ago and most people are still on pcie4 right? Well pcie6 is already finished and pcie7 is now nearly finished as well
A lot of these things are speeding up only now because it's not a big change to make it faster and there was no need before. It's now mainly driven by data centres wanting faster storage drives, that's why we got gen5 when gen4 and even Gen 3 SSDs were perfectly capable for consumers. And in a couple years we'll have gen7 SSDs because data centres want them
It's a similar story with memory. DDR4 is perfectly fine for consumers, but data centres are asking for faster memory as it helps them so we moved to ddr5 and soon we'll have ddr6 ram as well even though we don't need it
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Zen5 leaks:
15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x
Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.
Preliminary specs for top end
Ryzen 8950x: 16 big cores, two CCX
Ryzen 8950hx: 24 cores, two CCX - 8 big cores, 16 little cores
Big core CCx built on TSMC 4nm.
Little core CCX built on TSMC 3nm.
launching 1st half 2024
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15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x
Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.
Preliminary specs for top end
Ryzen 8950x: 16 big cores, two CCX
Ryzen 8950hx: 24 cores, two CCX - 8 big cores, 16 little cores
Big core CCx built on TSMC 4nm.
Little core CCX built on TSMC 3nm.
launching 1st half 2024
Massive AMD Zen5 Leak Reveals 20% Single-Core Uplift, Sarlak 'Strix Halo' Achieves RX 6750 XT Levels of Performance at 95W-125W
RedGamingTech has dropped bombshells by revealing a large number of AMD Zen5 benchmarks, expressing serious confidence in team red for 2024.
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It does not. Desktop is 8 core only, 16 core CCX only for Epyc. Like I said zen5 not a significant improvement. When I say this I mean desktop zen5 won't be much improvement. Epyc Zen5 is a different story, AMD is giving its server CPUs newer tech before desktop gets it. Zen5 for desktop doesn't have the new ccx, and doesnt have more cores than zen4, main difference compared to zen4 is architecture IPC and maybe clock speed
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He said they are "committing to the AM5 socket to 2025 and beyond" so they are not changing the socket in 2025, Zen 5 will be on AM5.
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And AMD have said the same thing multiple times before, that's why we're confused by their constant press statements that don't promise anything new but are put out for marketing
Is ddr6 available for servers yet? Thats a good way to know when desktop will get it, as new memory will be available for a servers 1/2 years before desktop. For example ddr5 for servers went on sale in October 2020 but we didn't get AM5 motherboards that can use ddr5 until September 2022, nearly 2 years later
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DDR5 became available for sale in October 2020, Intel 12th Gen launched 1 year later. So again even if ddr6 launches in 2025 doesn't mean we'll have consumer products that support it, until later
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What are you even talking about, I don't say they are lying, nor was I talking about am4. All I said AMD has said they are supporting AM5 to at least 2025 since AM5 was launched, and they repeat the same multiple times in different press statements since. And their statement just says we'll try longer 25 if we can, but doesn't promise anything and leaves room to easily launch AM6 with a new socket in 2026 and just blame needing extra pins or something.
As for trusting AMD, lmao, you guys never learn do you. Don't trust any business based on verbal off the cuff claims, if you do that you're a fool. The only time you can trust the process is when you have a legal contract and can sue the counter party.
"Trust me bro" is not a valid legal contract
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The Asus bios did have some issues though because of the user tries to manually lower the voltage the bios would ignore the setting and go back to default voltage