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AiiR · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:16

£170 for a dual core in 2017, is this real life?

humbug · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:20

AiiR said:
£170 for a dual core in 2017, is this real life?

Its the world of Intel, watch how many mainstream reviewers fall over eachother while offering their services as an advertising arm for them and it, again.

Bonjour · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:25

Maybe Intel have been tipped off Zen is paupers.

I paid £215 for my 4790k. £170 for an i3 is nuts.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:30

On the other end of the scale the Pentium G4260 is meant to have HT and seems to be basically a rebadged Core i3 6100 with a price decrease from $117 to $98.

Apparently the new Core i3 chips have Turboboost too.

humbug · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:48

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
On the other end of the scale the Pentium G4260 is meant to have HT and seems to be basically a rebadged Core i3 6100 with a price decrease from $117 to $98.

Apparently the new Core i3 chips have Turboboost too.

£100 for a dual core is still far too much, especially for a locked one, this is 2017 not 2007

The Pentium is a £50 chip and the unlocked i3 an £80 chip.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:56

humbug said:
£100 for a dual core is still far too much, especially for a locked one, this is 2017 not 2007

The Pentium is a £50 chip and the unlocked i3 an £80 chip.

The thing is the Core i3 6100 is now £110 due to Brexit,and this will essentially put a Core i3 under £100 again.

Sadly,if the pound had not tanked,the G4260 would be an £80 chip.

humbug · 14 Nov 2016 at 18:59

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The thing is the Core i3 6100 is now £110 due to Brexit,and this will essentially put a Core i3 under £100 again.

Sadly,if the pound had not tanked,the G4260 would be an £80 chip.

Which is still way more than £50

I paid £58 for a dual core more than 10 years ago...

Martini1991 · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:07

humbug said:
Which is still way more than £50

I paid £58 for a dual core more than 10 years ago...

That 58 pound is worth a lot less than 58 pound today, probably by a decent chunk lol.
In fact in 2007, won't 58 quid have about 115 dollars lol? (As dollar prices are what ultimately matters)

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:13

Yeah,but sadly the FX6300 is now 4 years old. If AMD had kept up with core updates I might agree,but ultimately they only need to beat a 4 year CPU in games.

In fact I am surprised they have dropped the price of a 2C/4T chip to $98. The cheapest 2C/4T chip was $113 and its been generally at $117 for the last few years.

AFAIK,Zen is more a Core i5 and Core i7 competitor.

jigger · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:16

Martini1991 said:
That 58 pound is worth a lot less than 58 pound today, probably by a decent chunk lol.
In fact in 2007, won't 58 quid have about 115 dollars lol? (As dollar prices are what ultimately matters)

The chip would have cost a lot more to produce in 2007. £170 is not even funny.

Martini1991 · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:19

jigger said:
The chip would have cost a lot more to produce in 2007. £170 is not even funny.

For the former, you're speculating. Production costs aren't the only costs associated, there's R&D etc. Also, it's fairly irrelevant, the cost is the cost, if the dollar cost for the end user hasn't really increased much then there's not much to be said.

As for the latter. There's no chance that come next year there's going to be a 2 core 4 thread chip coming out that costs £170.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:21

Martini1991 said:
For the former, you're speculating. Production costs aren't the only costs associated, there's R&D etc. Also, it's fairly irrelevant, the cost is the cost, if the dollar cost for the end user hasn't really increased much then there's not much to be said.

As for the latter. There's no chance that come next year there's going to be a 2 core 4 thread chip coming out that costs £170.

Well the RRP in USD with VAT comes to £171 and its priced just under a Core i5 7400.

To put it in context it is 50% more expensive than a Core i3 7100.

Martini1991 · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:22

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well the RRP in USD with VAT comes to £171 and its priced just under a Core i5 7400.

To put it in context it is 50% more expensive than a Core i3 7100.

There's no chance there's a 2c 4t chip coming out at 170 pound (Or whatever the dollar equivalent is) from Intel. It'd be ludicrous.

Only way an i3's coming out at 170 pound is if i3 has become 4c 4t.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:37

Martini1991 said:
There's no chance there's a 2c 4t chip coming out at 170 pound (Or whatever the dollar equivalent is) from Intel. It'd be ludicrous.

Only way an i3's coming out at 170 pound is if i3 has become 4c 4t.

You have not been checking prices recently have you??

Cheapest Core i3 chips are now £110 to £120. That is for the Core i3 6100:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-590-in.html

Its a similar price for most retailers now.

The Core i3 6300 is around £140 to £150:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-589-in.html

OcUK is one of the cheapest retailers in the UK for the Core i3 6300. Many other well known retailers have it closer to £150 currently.

Edit!!

The Core i3 6320 is around around £145 to £150 too at many retailers.

jigger · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:45

Martini1991 said:
For the former, you're speculating. Production costs aren't the only costs associated, there's R&D etc. Also, it's fairly irrelevant, the cost is the cost, if the dollar cost for the end user hasn't really increased much then there's not much to be said.

As for the latter. There's no chance that come next year there's going to be a 2 core 4 thread chip coming out that costs £170.

No. Intel are following More's law pretty well. The chip would have cost more to produce in 2007. A lot more.

jigger · 14 Nov 2016 at 19:47

jigger said:
No. Intel are following More's law pretty well. The chip would have cost more to produce in 2007. A lot more.

Anyway wrong thread for this discussion. So spam.

Martini1991 · 14 Nov 2016 at 22:32

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You have not been checking prices recently have you??

Cheapest Core i3 chips are now £110 to £120. That is for the Core i3 6100:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-590-in.html

Its a similar price for most retailers now.

The Core i3 6300 is around £140 to £150:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-589-in.html

OcUK is one of the cheapest retailers in the UK for the Core i3 6300. Many other well known retailers have it closer to £150 currently.

Edit!!

The Core i3 6320 is around around £145 to £150 too at many retailers.

Lol, didn't realise things had gotten that bad.
Oh well, that's what people voted for. (As bad as that is)

AiiR · 14 Nov 2016 at 22:43

Martini1991 said:
Lol, didn't realise things had gotten that bad.
Oh well, that's what people voted for. (As bad as that is)

The 6600k is nearly £250, I thought I was being conned when I bought mine for £199.. :rolleyes:

Gimpymoo · 15 Nov 2016 at 09:18

I am in the process of building a second rig and like it or lump it, a 6600k is the best mid range CPU but the price also factoring in a decent chipset comes to almost £350 just for CPU and mobo and that is just mid range.

AMD, SAVE US

The thing is, if Zen stinks out the joint, will Intel not just hike prices even more?

Is it likely to be released this side of Christmas does anyone know?

EDIT:
Looks like Q1 2017.

Sucks to be building a rig right now

richthomuk · 15 Nov 2016 at 09:22

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The thing is the Core i3 6100 is now £110 due to Brexit,and this will essentially put a Core i3 under £100 again.

Sadly,if the pound had not tanked,the G4260 would be an £80 chip.

the i3 6100 was £110 before Brexit, if anything a weakening USD will lower the cost but the Brexit was raising the costs quite a bit.

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