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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

humbug said:
Stop it, i get it completely and so do you, you know you made a simple mistake, an honest mistake but for some strange reason you just cannot handle that.

Different images take different times to render out even on exactly the same hardware, we don't even know how Toms images differ to the ones AMD used so we cannot even take those differentials into the equation, the whole premiss is utterly flawed, its no different, in fact exactly the same as benchmarking Sniper Elite V2 on one GPU and benchmarking Crysis 3 on another GPU are then using the results to compare equal performance for those GPU's.
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You say what ??

That doesn't even make sense.

what i don't understand is the confusion, what Martini explained is logical , comparing gpu benchmarks is an entirely different kettle of ball games ;)
 
darket said:
You say what ??

That doesn't even make sense.

what i don't understand is the confusion, what Martini explained is logical , comparing gpu benchmarks is an entirely different kettle of ball games ;)
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Maybe i am speaking to the wrong crowed here but i would have thought it obvious to most that if you use any hardware to render something out it takes a certain amount of time, if what you render out is different the time that takes is also different.

That is logic, actually its more than that, its fact.

I have done an awful lot of logic and explaining, i have not yet seen yours or Martini1991 logic or your understanding of it, perhaps explain yourselves instead of trying to shoot down others without any counter argument.

Just telling me over and over again "you don't get it" is a trick of the of those who really don't.
 
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Humbug, I've explained it as basically as I can.
All you have to do is look at JonSmith post to see how flaky blender is.

The simple fact is a 4770k isn't twice the performance of an FX83, but using AMD'S image and the version of blender they link to, it all of a sudden is. And that an FX83 at 4.5ghz is 4 times slower than AMD'S run.
Other versions of blender with a different image (but same throughout those runs) show the difference you'd expect between an FX83 and an i7 4770k.
If you can't see reason to be sceptical, then there's no hope for you.
 
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Martini1991 said:
Humbug, I've explained it as basically as I can.
All you have to do is look at JonSmith post to see how flaky blender it.
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You haven't explained a thing, you haven't even challenged the premise that rendering different images out takes a different length of time, because you can't, its absolutely fundamental and there fore fundamentally proves your misconceived equation completely flawed.

The only response, really rather strangely given that its an honest mistake on your part, is to repeat "you don't get it" over and over again, you have not even managed to explain what it is that i don't get or how.

I repeat, IMO, to utter "you don't get it" over and over is a response from those who really don't.
 
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Why would I challenge that different images take different lengths of time to render?!

That's obvious and the only person saying anything at all about it is you.

I think you're just a troll to be honest. You're too much not to be.
 
Martini1991 said:
Humbug, I've explained it as basically as I can.
All you have to do is look at JonSmith post to see how flaky blender is.

The simple fact is a 4770k isn't twice the performance of an FX83, but using AMD'S image and the version of blender they link to, it all of a sudden is. And that an FX83 at 4.5ghz is 4 times slower than AMD'S run.
Other versions of blender with a different image (but same throughout those runs) show the difference you'd expect between an FX83 and an i7 4770k.
If you can't see reason to be sceptical, then there's no hope for you.
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Thats a better response... edited after my post but a response none the less.

but using AMD'S image and the version of blender they link to
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The article you refer to is over 3 years old, the image AMD used is one they made themselves, its one of a Zen CPU with a Zen logo on it, given that the article is more than 3 years old it is impossible that Toms use that same image as it did not exist over 3 years ago, there for it is different and takes an unknown different amount of time to render, there fore those times cannot be used to compare with AMD times on todays event.

I'm also pretty sure AMD used the latest Blender, which again did not exist 3 years ago.
 
It doesn't matter what image has been used.

If I did 10 benchmarks with 10 different images twice with two CPU's. I'd expect similar performance differences with each run. Not going from 25% to 100% performance difference.
I don't give a flying flip about the times themselves. But the performance difference.

Just forget it.
Zen is 4 times faster than an fx8350, let's just roll with that.
 
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Just for reference.

AMD blender image on the AMD linked blender download on my Xenon [email protected] 1:09sec

I have no idea if it used all the cores or the NVidia 970 , I just installed it and ran it as is.

So Zen is twice as fast as my system, it would seem like a nice upgrade for me, for the right price of course. :)
 
Martini1991 said:
Why would I challenge that different images take different lengths of time to render?!
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And then you go and do exactly that.....

Martini1991 said:
It doesn't matter what image has been used.

If I did 10 benchmarks with 10 different images twice with two CPU's. I'd expect similar performance differences with each run. Not going from 25% to 100% performance difference.
I don't give a flying flip about the times themselves. But the performance difference.
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If you did 10 benchmarks with 10 different images you will get 10 different results, Toms used different images, the one AMD used was created 3 years after Toms ran their benchmark, which makes Toms using the same image impossible.
 
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