*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[SiDeards73]

Apparently from what I have read earlier,Intel has trimmed people from its GPU design teams - if that is actually true,it might explain why they might do this.

Yep i see an Intel GPU guy recently joined Frostbite, he was one of the bigger players at the IGPU section i believe also.

 

[SiDeards73]

There still seems to be a lot of Denial in this thread from some people. I think a lot of people are going to be pleasantly suprised come Zen release

 

[nashathedog]

I just read a post from a Youtuber who claims to have a friend that works for AMD tell him the Ryzen 8 core will cost around 7-800. Totally un-reliable but it makes sense considering how AMD are trying to make us associate it with the Intel 6 core extreme all the time, Sadly that's too rich for me. I may stretch to 500 but not until after Vega now. My 4790k still has plenty of life in it even though it's over 2 years old now.

 

[gpuerrilla]

There still seems to be a lot of Denial in this thread from some people. I think a lot of people are going to be pleasantly suprised come Zen release

I hope so, nearly January now so not long till I grab some popcorn.

 

[Martini1991]

There still seems to be a lot of Denial in this thread from some people. I think a lot of people are going to be pleasantly suprised come Zen release

For me this thread is full of hype rather than much negativity.

Personally I expect some performance caveats and pricing to not be bargain basement.

But overall I expect it to be worth a purchase, which is why I'm probably going to make the jump.

 

[Mauller]

That stuff about Intel is quite revealing, it shows how money men being the ceo often ruin tech based businesses.

Also the x86 vs arm stuff is odd, x86 still has better performance in high powered situations compared to arm from what I remember reading.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I just read a post from a Youtuber who claims to have a friend that works for AMD tell him the Ryzen 8 core will cost around 7-800. Totally un-reliable but it makes sense considering how AMD are trying to make us associate it with the Intel 6 core extreme all the time, Sadly that's too rich for me. I may stretch to 500 but not until after Vega now. My 4790k still has plenty of life in it even though it's over 2 years old now.

It more than I expected but not also unexpected if they can get closer to the top 8C/16T Intel CPUs,especially if they have decent final clockspeeds. AMD will be looking at how well the Halo effect has worked for Intel and Nvidia when they have decent performing top models.

However,it depends on what model this is - I suspect AMD will have more than one 8C/16T model.

As others have said it will be interesting to see where the 4C/8T and 6C/12T models land. It only takes a relatively small reduction in price,if they can close to the performance of the Core i7 6700K/7700K and Core i7 6800K to look better. An example would be instead of £400 for their 6C/12T they price it at £300 and instead of £300 to £320 for their 4C/8T,they price it a £200 to £250.

I still think Intel will have the IPC edge with Skylake and probably a bit higher clockspeeds overall.

For me this thread is full of hype rather than much negativity.

Personally I expect some performance caveats and pricing to not be bargain basement.

But overall I expect it to be worth a purchase, which is why I'm probably going to make the jump.

If you look at the gaming tests,in a decent amount of those games tested(3,maybe 4 of them),a Haswell Core i3 beats an FX8350 and they don't apparently like SMT too. So that is a strong hint single core IPC has gotten much better IMHO OFC.

So we are probably looking at the IPC and clockspeed edge Intel will have,they will probably be a bit ahead(maybe it will be like the Phenom II X4 and 45nm Core2 Quads?),but AMD can sell SKUs with HT,or a few extra cores at the same price.

That stuff about Intel is quite revealing, it shows how money men being the ceo often ruin tech based businesses.

Also the x86 vs arm stuff is odd, x86 still has better performance in high powered situations compared to arm from what I remember reading.

It might be the relentless march of ARM in consumer computing though,which is the major volume market AFAIK and you only need to look at the Apple ARM cores. Remember this though - hardly anybody is really pushing a desktop class ARM core yet,most of the desktop CPUs with ARM cores tend to be based on ones developed for mobile.

So,maybe Intel is aware of some desktop level ARM based CPUs in the next few years??

I never understood why they didn't make their own ARM based chips?? Intel has the resources and they could have done a very good job IMHO OFC.

 

[Deathroned]

I just read a post from a Youtuber who claims to have a friend that works for AMD tell him the Ryzen 8 core will cost around 7-800. Totally un-reliable but it makes sense considering how AMD are trying to make us associate it with the Intel 6 core extreme all the time, Sadly that's too rich for me. I may stretch to 500 but not until after Vega now. My 4790k still has plenty of life in it even though it's over 2 years old now.

How do you expect them to compete if you want them to be cheap, CPU's aren't created out of thin air, employees need to eat.

 

[Deathroned]

It more than I expected but not also unexpected if they can get closer to the top 8C/16T Intel CPUs,especially if they have decent final clockspeeds. AMD will be looking at how well the Halo effect has worked for Intel and Nvidia when they have decent performing top models.

However,it depends on what model this is - I suspect AMD will have more than one 8C/16T model.

As others have said it will be interesting to see where the 4C/8T and 6C/12T models land. It only takes a relatively small reduction in price,if they can close to the performance of the Core i7 6700K/7700K and Core i7 6800K to look better. An example would be instead of £400 for their 6C/12T they price it at £300 and instead of £300 to £320 for their 4C/8T,they price it a £200 to £250.

I still think Intel will have the IPC edge with Skylake and probably a bit higher clockspeeds overall.



If you look at the gaming tests,in a decent amount of those games tested(3,maybe 4 of them),a Haswell Core i3 beats an FX8350 and they don't apparently like SMT too. So that is a strong hint single core IPC has gotten much better IMHO OFC.

So we are probably looking at the IPC and clockspeed edge Intel will have,they will probably be a bit ahead(maybe it will be like the Phenom II X4 and 45nm Core2 Quads?),but AMD can sell SKUs with HT,or a few extra cores at the same price.



It might be the relentless march of ARM in consumer computing though,which is the major volume market AFAIK and you only need to look at the Apple ARM cores. Remember this though - hardly anybody is really pushing a desktop class ARM core yet,most of the desktop CPUs with ARM cores tend to be based on ones developed for mobile.

So,maybe Intel is aware of some desktop level ARM based CPUs in the next few years??

I never understood why they didn't make their own ARM based chips?? Intel has the resources and they could have done a very good job IMHO OFC.

Bingo people look at the Halo Product/Flagship and then deduce they who have it are kings, that is why people would look at a BMW and maybe a Toyota/Honda the Toyota may be Faster but people would still buy the slower BMW because of the Re-sale Value.

 

[humbug]

Bingo people look at the Halo Product/Flagship and then deduce they who have it are kings, that is why people would look at a BMW and maybe a Toyota/Honda the Toyota may be Faster but people would still buy the slower BMW because of the Re-sale Value.

Bad analogy, BMW's come in many many different flavours, from sub 150 BHP to over 650 BHP, even some 1.5L hybrids that give a Porsche 911 a performance slapdown let a lone a Prius

 

[Martini1991]

its filled with concern trolls and thread crappers like you, mmj, Rroff etc the AMD suxxors crowd.

Merry Christmas.

 

[SiDeards73]

Problem.AMD has is it's CPU rep is in tatters, even if they undercut Intel by 10% at each price point they compete in they will still lose mass sales to Intel, their brand is just so much stronger.

AMD want market share, simply undercutting like for like products by minimal amounts won't do it, they need to break the stranglehold Intel has.

Put a 4 core against i3
Put a 4/8 against the i5
Put a 6/12 against the i7
Put 8/16 against the i7 extreme but at a much much lower price

Make Intel's options irrelevant, if the IPC and performance is there they will dominate Intel , wouldn't need to undercut much either.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Problem.AMD has is it's CPU rep is in tatters, even if they undercut Intel by 10% at each price point they compete in they will still lose mass sales to Intel, their brand is just so much stronger.

AMD want market share, simply undercutting like for like products by minimal amounts won't do it, they need to break the stranglehold Intel has.

Put a 4 core against i3
Put a 4/8 against the i5
Put a 6/12 against the i7
Put 8/16 against the i7 extreme but at a much much lower price

Make Intel's options irrelevant, if the IPC and performance is there they will dominate Intel , wouldn't need to undercut much either.

That sounds about right,but it might be a Ryzen 4C against the higher end Core i3 whilst being unlocked and a 4C/8T Ryzen against a Core i5 K series.

 

[~>Dg<~]

that line up does look how it will probably come out.thing is intel also have there newer stuff coming out which arent just a clock boost.

so we will see very hortly.how things line up.

 

[humbug]

that line up does look how it will probably come out.thing is intel also have there newer stuff coming out which arent just a clock boost.

so we will see very hortly.how things line up.

Kaby Lake? its pretty well established Kaby Lake is Sky Lake with a clock boost.

 

[Legend]

I just read a post from a Youtuber who claims to have a friend that works for AMD tell him the Ryzen 8 core will cost around 7-800. Totally un-reliable but it makes sense considering how AMD are trying to make us associate it with the Intel 6 core extreme all the time, Sadly that's too rich for me. I may stretch to 500 but not until after Vega now. My 4790k still has plenty of life in it even though it's over 2 years old now.

That does make sense, and I can certainly believe that price. I suspected as much... the rumours of £500 just seemed too good to be true in light of the recent benchmark leaks. Assuming they are accurate, Ryzen isn't quite at 6900K performance (but close), yet significantly beats the 6800k. It makes sense that it would be priced somewhere in-between, and if the performance really is that stellar, then a £700 price tag is actually pretty amazing if it's nipping at the heels of the £1K 6900k. May even end up surpassing it in some instances. We shall see though... much unknown as yet.

 

[RavenXXX2]

lol £700 for amd, amazing price.... hahaha.

 

[Bonjour]

lol £700 for amd, amazing price.... hahaha.

You appear to be a relative newcomer to the game.

FX-51 was over $700 and sold very well, as the performance was there. Similar story with the FX-55, which was over $800.

 

[RavenXXX2]

That was yonks a go, Intel own the market today so much so they can charge what they want. AMD coming out with a £700 CPU is laughable at best. I guess a few deranged fanboys might pick one up though.

 

[Bonjour]

Intel owned the market when the FX-51 came out as well.