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I saw this mentioned in the AMD VEGA thread:
I told you Ryzen is not going to be a cheap CPU.
I told you Ryzen is not going to be a cheap CPU.
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Caporegime
Nothing in that confirms anything you said, which for the record was....
The i5 7600K currently stands at £240.
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High end means performance it doesn't mention or imply price anywhere. Fury X was high end, yet wasn't £1000, the 290x was high end(at the time) and priced very fairly also.
They sell what would be called midrange(at best) CPUS that cost sub £150... high end is therefore above that, but they aren't in £250 or £1000 CPUs, presuming high end only means expensive CPUs is daft.
Again people need to get a grip, Intel are currently charging stupid prices for x99 platform because they have both no competition and the people looking to buy them aren't buying for value.
The price in a market with no competition and the price in a market with competition aren't the same thing. Intel have priced their chips in a market with no competition, AMD will be entering a market with competition and have to price their chips as such. There will absolutely be very nicely priced chips, cheap, as in sub £150 for an 8 core, no, but I haven't seen anyone suggest that anywhere. Cheap as in, compared to x99 chips, absolutely.
I'd be surprised if quad cores came anywhere near £200 and I'd be surprised if there weren't 6 or 8 cores in the <£300 price bracket. Exact pricing is harder, I'd have said £250 or less for a lower bin 8 core, but then the pound took a dive.
If there is an 8c/8t CPU at less than £250 I'll have one for sure. I just don't see it. I can totally see the 4c/8t at around that price though. Competing with the 4c/4t i5. Then the 8c/8t chip competing with the 4c/8t i7. Assuming that the performance is there of course.
Beyond that, the 8c/16t Ryzen being around $500 less than the equivalent intel would make it seem like a relative bargain. That is not likely a CPU aimed at anything less than the "enthusiast". But then again, that would still make for a rather large jump between the 8c/8t and the 8c/16t, so who knows. Especially if there is no 6c offerings.
Obviously it's still a waiting game. But I can't see 8c Ryzen at i5 pricing personally. Not if clock speed and IPC is there. But I do hope to be wrong there, as i5 pricing is my budget.
Beyond that, the 8c/16t Ryzen being around $500 less than the equivalent intel would make it seem like a relative bargain. That is not likely a CPU aimed at anything less than the "enthusiast". But then again, that would still make for a rather large jump between the 8c/8t and the 8c/16t, so who knows. Especially if there is no 6c offerings.
Obviously it's still a waiting game. But I can't see 8c Ryzen at i5 pricing personally. Not if clock speed and IPC is there. But I do hope to be wrong there, as i5 pricing is my budget.
They will probably make one available as an option like Intel did with the i7.
That actually implies it will be as they reference it performing and selling well, which will require it to be priced well.
Soldato
When AMD have had the performance they haven't been shy to price it high. So if it does match bw-e then its gona cost.
i have no clue what you are talking about, athlon and phenom were very cheap compared to intel's offerings
Soldato
DX12 also offers developers to reduce CPU overhead (mostly a benefit for AMD as Nvidia can write it's drivers to spread CPU draws over multiple CPU threads) in and with 12.1 it brings along a new shader model (SM 6.0). The only drawback at the moment is although the new shader model can run via the shaders it’s designed to be run on dedicated hardware which none of the new cards have at the moment.
Soldato
You mean like how an Athlon XP cost ~75% what the equivalent Intel chip did?
No I mean the FX 5x series of chips back in the 939 socket days. Wasn't that priced in the intel EE price range? Or that didn't happen? Yea athalon was cheap not disputing that and never did.
Not sure if these have been posted yet, so potentially March release, lets hope so as I am holding out on a build to see how these compare :-
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...rocessor-and-vega-graphics-card-release-dates
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...6-core-amd-ryzen-cpus-4-core-and-8-core-only/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...rocessor-and-vega-graphics-card-release-dates
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...6-core-amd-ryzen-cpus-4-core-and-8-core-only/
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You mean like how an Athlon XP cost ~75% what the equivalent Intel chip did?
I think pricing will be very close and only just undercut what Intel offer, I'd love to be wrong but last year (or the one before) Lisa Su stated that AMD does not want to be seen as the cheaper option, ie the lesser brand and she intended to make that so, Critics at the time pointed out that she'd need to have the products and the after sales support to earn it and so far she's on track, The Fiji graphics cards were no cheaper than the Nvidia alternates on release and the driver support has been there. So I personally think that now they have a new range of cpu's coming that will also be competitive they'll hold a comparable price just as the gpu's have. I'd like to be wrong though.
On the subject of 8core 8thread vs 6 core 12 thread. Is there anyone here with a 6900k or similar that could run some benchmarks? One test with all 8 cores but ht disabled and another with ht on but 2 cores disabled? I'm really curious to see how they would compare
if they have an objectively better product than intel, i wouldn't mind them selling it for more than intel's price even, whatever floats their boat et generate enough sales/revenue for them, but following a decade of bad reputation for quality/performance, they might still need to sell it cheaper to boost sales.
if they fail at the initial pricing and end up with weak sales because of it, the next intel 10nm will put them a generation behind, and lowering the prices then wont be of much help to AMD.
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I don't have much hope for 10 nm anyway. Clearly Intel don't either considering the desktop parts won't be moving to it any time soon (Coffee Lake is 14 nm again).
Benchmarks of what though? Basically any application that sees a 50+% boost from HyperThreading would be better off with 6c/12t. Everything else (which includes the majority of applications) would prefer 8c/8t. This assumes you're running a single application though; 6c/12t may well be better for multitasking in some situations.
Benchmarks of what though? Basically any application that sees a 50+% boost from HyperThreading would be better off with 6c/12t. Everything else (which includes the majority of applications) would prefer 8c/8t. This assumes you're running a single application though; 6c/12t may well be better for multitasking in some situations.
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Hopefully they'll be quick to adjust pricing if needed.
That's good news.
Caporegime
One of the 16 threaders is 3.64Ghz, probably actually 3.65Ghz without bus clock fluctuations.
