*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[h4rm0ny]

Looks like a certain company is starting to get rather worried

I ought really to find the blatant product-bias offensive (given this is presumably given to outlets that sell both AMD and Intel or it would be unnecessary), but I honestly just find it hilarious.

 

[humbug]

Surprised they didn't go with a cheap shot about AMD not even fabbing their own 14nm products





Haven't heard that in a while

At least that would have been true, oh and i love that 'Make more cores' image

 

[d_brennen]

Haven't heard that in a while

Well I'm not against it, AMD are right to be pushing the envelope of more cores. Intel have held back because AMD fell behind in performance from K10 to now.

e: 10nm is where it'll get interesting IMO. We'll perhaps see APUs with 8c16t, a decent iGPU and a couple gigabytes of HBM all stitched together with Infinity Fabric

 

[humbug]

The FX series had more cores in the mainstream because it needed them, AMD are not doing this to push the envelope or because they are kind, they are doing what is necessary to be competitive.

 

[Armageus]

Well I'm not against it, AMD are right to be pushing the envelope of more cores. Intel have held back because AMD fell behind in performance from K10 to now.

I'm not against it, just always laugh when moar cores is mentioned

Hopefully they deliver, and then it should be exciting times between RyZen, Vega as long as it performs reasonably, and Intel licensing onboard graphics tech.

 

[silversurfer]

Intel talked about having 32 core keifer chip design by 2010 I think it was. Its the programs really that arent using cores that is probably the bigger limitation but still, both companies I think favoured servers multiple chip boards and mobile and power saving over our sector of the market.

Present day there is a 22 core server chip

 

[d_brennen]

The FX series had more core in the mainstream because it needed them, AMD are not doing this to push the envelope or because they are kind, they are doing what is necessary to be competitive.

I am sure when the plan to produce the 8 int core Bulldozer was hatched they weren't planning for it to be so far behind. They gambled and lost. Intel gambled with Netburst and should have taken a kicking for it but escaped with dirty tactics, OEM and consumer "loyalty"

 

[humbug]

I am sure when the plan to produce the 8 int core Bulldozer was hatched they weren't planning for it to be so far behind. They gambled and lost. Intel gambled with Netburst and should have taken a kicking for it but escaped with dirty tactics and OEM and consumer "loyalty"

Maybe your right.

I don't know but if Zen is all its cracked up to be it will light a fire under Intel and AMD, exactly what we need, hopefully this time Intel will pickup AMD's gauntlet instead of trying to shut AMD out and starve them of funds.

 

[Freddie1980]

Em the I3 that I was discussing is certainly a desktop and not laptop chip. Further to that, it is also the same market that AMD are looking at with the R3 series and so that would also hold true that the speeds would also be lower to maintain larger yields and lower power usage etc.

They correlate the same.

I never said the wasn't a desktop chip, I said I3's were used laptops and people who a looking for value and lower budget systems for the reasons you pointed out. There just isn't a big enough market for high clocked dual core chips beyond a few hobbyists who want to see how fast they can take it.

 

[TaKeN]

Is that a FAQ thing on Zen from Intel?

I found it here on Reddit

Sorry to the mod who had to resize the image! My bad

 

[humbug]

thx ^^^^

 

[Hotwired]

What a lousy job having to spout that garbage if a customer asks you about THAT COMPETITOR.

You spout it and then the customer repeats the question because you clearly didn't give them an answer of value.

You blabber more condescending talk about how well Intel has been doing and the customer walks off in disgust thinking you're an idiot.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

As it says, it will "offer an 8 core chip with at least 3.4GHz base clock" not that all chips will be 3.4GHz for the 8 core chip. You have jumped to a conclusion that it meant all.

It also stated that AMD isn't releasing it's absolute minimum. It appears you are cherry picking what is being said and shown.

Also the chart is the base clock which the top SKU is actually 3.6GHz. There are a lot of people who cannot read here and it is frustrating.

You can't read - stop defecting. The top SKU in that chart says 3 to 3.6ghz not 3.6ghz onwards or 3.4ghz.


Plus stop more of deflection - Lisa Su said that Ryzen would be shipping with AT LEAST 3.4ghz in her speech and the slides says that.

You want Ryzen to have a slow as possible base clockspeed and I think I know why because you know very well if it ships with lower clockspeeds in its top SKU you can then go on how Intel or better.

Unfortunately for you the 8C/16t model will be shipping at launch at a minimum of 3.4ghz as per what Lisa Su and AMD said.

This is why the moment that list popped up you have gone into overdrive since you are terrified of Ryzen 8C launched at 3.4ghz+ and you want to make sure it doesn't.

Edit

Oh and another thing to deflate you - pro CPUs are business CPUs with a lower tdp,so unfortunately for you whatever 8C CPUs with smt AMD will be launching will be 3.4ghz for us Diy builders.

Pro CPUs tend to be for business systems which are prebuilt.

 

[Quartz]

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/102184-amd-ryzen-processor-full-lineup-leaked/

Not the most solid of leaks, but we'll see. What I find of interest is that even the bottom models have four full cores.

 

[xs2man]

Probably better off in the actual Ryzen thread. Where, in fact, this table was posted 4 days ago...

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30469321&postcount=5060

 

[ubersonic]

i love that 'Make more cores' image

Here's the full one:

 

[humbug]

Here's the full one:

Classic

 

[d_brennen]

It's odd, I was excited for Bulldozer as it was a novel design and quite out of the ordinary. Now I am excited for Ryzen as it's back to basics

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like a certain company is starting to get rather worried

It makes me wonder whether it is already started.

It's funny how all of a sudden some random leak overrules the AMD CEO and AMD or slides satingv Ryzen 8C/16t will be shipping at least(she said those two words) at 3.4ghz at launch and how some despite the fact they apparently know a lot about AMD don't know that pro series AMD CPUs are business CPUs for prebuilt pcs and are not relevant to us Diy CPU purchasers.

They tend to be lower tdp than normal AMD chips.

In fact the two pieces of info we know about Ryzen at launch,or,it's 8C/16t and it's shipping at least at 3.4ghz - now it's alternate facts.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, no where other than one debunked slide does it say 3.0Ghz.

Even AMD say 3.4Ghz and up..... so i don't understand the constant banging on about 3.0Ghz, none of the chips are that.

It's being done on purpose - look how he suddenly went into overdrive after that chart leaked?

On top of this the expert has obviously never heard that AMD has cTdp modes and the pro series CPUs are business CPUs for system integrators. Even Intel has SKUs only for system builders.

He conflates it to mean the 8C/16t chips for Diy builders like us will not be launching at 3.4ghz+ and AMD would not give that specific number for some random reason.

The rest of the configurations are up in the air but AMD was very specific about the 8C/16t SKUs which are being launch to us lot.