*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think Intel really needs a good shock TBH - the Core i5 7740K thread made me remember how they literally stopped people using those 4C/8T Xeon E3 CPUs in consumer motherboards. You could literally get a £190 to £200 Core i7,plonk it in a £60 motherboard and have a good solid base for a gaming system.

What did Intel do?? They invented some "new chipset" and artificially locked the Xeons to it and blocked it from being used in most consumer socket 1151 motherboards. The socket was exactly the same though.

It meant instead of an £80 mini-ITX motherboard,if you wanted to use a Xeon E3 you needed to buy a £160 one,or just not bother and spend £300 on a Core i7 6700.

Intel have only themselves to blame if AMD gives them a shock.

Edit!!

Plus the whole part about the converting of overclocking into a costly sport when you could overclock CPUs before in the past without needing special SKUs which cost more and special expensive motherboards. I can still remember in the Core2 days,how we had £50 overclocking motherboards.

The Core i3 7350K is an example of how much Intel regards overclockers as nothing but cash cows.

 

[Beren]

The Core i3 7350K is an example of how much Intel regards overclockers as nothing but cash cows.

In about 3 weeks it will be how Intel used to regard overclockers as cash cows when they still had overclocking customers

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Saw 2 UK retailers got Ryzen CPUs listed.

Ryzen 7 1800X is more expensive than MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X, Ryzen 7 1700X more expensive than intel i7 7700K and Ryzen 1700 is far more expensive than i5 7600K.

OUCH!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

In about 3 weeks it will be how Intel used to regard overclockers as cash cows when they still had overclocking customers

Don't worry since overclocking is now a sport it will be how that £350 5ghz quad core is 10x better than a 4.5ghz eight core since super PI runs faster and Intel has 5 bazillion more PCI-E lanes so is worth much more.

Oh,also quad channel memory is twice as better as dual channel.

Then Intel will use that in their advertising as "advantages" and not bother dropping prices as much since people think it is worth "extra" instead of Intel offering more for the same price as AMD and saying why Intel is worth spending that extra money.

Remember the days of the P4 - even when we had various Athlons thrashing them we had people still justifying some of the stupidly priced P4 SKUs.

 

[humbug]

Saw 2 UK retailers got Ryzen CPUs listed.

Ryzen 7 1800X is more expensive than MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X, Ryzen 7 1700X more expensive than intel i7 7700K and Ryzen 1700 is far more expensive than i5 7600K.

OUCH!

£250 for a 16 thread CPU, what are you on about 'ouch'? ouch is £1,050 for the Intel equivalent.

 

[Beren]

£250 for a 16 thread CPU, what are you on about 'ouch'? ouch is £1,050 for the Intel equivalent.

I guess they maybe thought that was the whole SKU including 4 and 6 core not the pricing on just the 8 core chips. Hopefully just 2 1/2 weeks until we have something definite... the leaks are flowing nicely just now though!

 

[Klo]

£250 for a 16 thread CPU, what are you on about 'ouch'? ouch is £1,050 for the Intel equivalent.

He's has issues, I'd ignore everything he says.

 

[StarShock]

I don't think we'll be waiting too long for mini itx. Amd have made specific sff chip sets, the a, b and x300. I reckon they just wanted to get the other stuff out first. Cater to the masses. Hopefully only be a couple months behind. Biostar already released specs for their mini itx

 

[flopper]

£250 for a 16 thread CPU, what are you on about 'ouch'? ouch is £1,050 for the Intel equivalent.

Called robbery and thief's where I come from with Intels pricing.

Got to love a 8c12t cpu is coming into a level finally time to update and upgrade for every user out there.
AMD ARyzen

 

[nashathedog]

Don't care, i have Windows 10, 7 is old slow and buggy.... sorry, lots of 7 fans but its past it!

I like Win 10, W7 was better than W8.1 but W10's the best of the bunch.

 

[nashathedog]

I am more interested in what the 4.2GHZ part is - if AMD can get that level of Turbo on the top 8C,6C and 4C SKUs,its going to very competitive with even the Intel Kaby Lake CPUs in even lightly threaded games. Sure,they will have a slight clockspeed advantage and an IPC advantage,but even then its not going to be much in it,IMHO OFC.

If it turns out that it's on a 6 or 8 core that can offer roughly Skylake gaming performance I may end up grabbing one and then saving up for Vega again. When I do upgrade my cpu it's going to be an expensive upgrade because it also requires me to buy DDR4 and when I do I'd like to get a pair of 16gb sticks so I can have 32gb's with an ITX build. I'm currently only on two 4gb sticks of DDR3 and that's not been enough a few times especially when compiling things and I haven't upgraded to 16 gb's because I know I'm moving to ddr4 next and don't want to waste money buying more last gen memory now.

 

[old gamer]

If it turns out that it's on a 6 or 8 core that can offer roughly Skylake gaming performance I may end up grabbing one and then saving up for Vega again. When I do upgrade my cpu it's going to be an expensive upgrade because it also requires me to buy DDR4 and when I do I'd like to get a pair of 16gb sticks so I can have 32gb's with an ITX build. I'm currently only on two 4gb sticks of DDR3 and that's not been enough a few times especially when compiling things and I haven't upgraded to 16 gb's because I know I'm moving to ddr4 next and don't want to waste money buying more last gen memory now.

same here, i have the money waiting for vega but might spend it on a ryzen setup then when i sell my old gear put that towards vega and carry on saving

 

[gooseuk]

Looking good there on the prices. Maybe time to upgrade the 2500k. Lets hope for good tests on these bad boys.

 

[StarShock]

If it turns out that it's on a 6 or 8 core that can offer roughly Skylake gaming performance I may end up grabbing one and then saving up for Vega again. When I do upgrade my cpu it's going to be an expensive upgrade because it also requires me to buy DDR4 and when I do I'd like to get a pair of 16gb sticks so I can have 32gb's with an ITX build. I'm currently only on two 4gb sticks of DDR3 and that's not been enough a few times especially when compiling things and I haven't upgraded to 16 gb's because I know I'm moving to ddr4 next and don't want to waste money buying more last gen memory now.

I've nabbed a couple sticks of the avexir ram in the sale, suspect it will be a while before we see ram this cheap again.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Avexir Core White Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (AVD4UZ124001616G-= £149.99

Total: £158.69
(includes shipping: £8.70)
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Hopefully ryzen is good and ITX motherboards aren't far behind, otherwise these are going to be sitting on the shelf for a while

 

[~>Dg<~]

Assuming Haswell or better IPC im defiantly in for a 6c/12t sku,

Pretty crazy an 8 core part could realistically come in at £300 retail

with how pc parts have gone up and gouged since brexit dont count your chickens yet.even if they come in cheap just remember someone will be adding that british factor to it.



just remember guys and gals wait for benchmarks.doesnt matter how cheap they are without knowing how fast they are.

i pray for the day of seeing a proper bf1 benchmark in mp. on a 64 man server

 

[Nutella33]

UK distributor listing with no vat has appeared online

 

[d_brennen]

As expected. AMD just price matching where they think their cpu's perform like. Hardly making anyone switch from Intel to AMD.

Well if you have a comparable Intel CPU you'd be mad to. Am I missing your point?

 

[Hotwired]

All aboard the train

 

[Journey]

The 8c/16t part at 65w for only just over £300 looks like a winner of it's unlocked as suggested.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

check all my Distributors, non listing Ryzen but i was slow to the party .
Good way for retailers to pull in traffic though as 99% of PC users cant access Distribution sites to see actually pricing ( might be able to view products), pulling it straight from them so the masses can see.
AMD wont be to happy with this. seems the Guy that released the prices yesterday was pretty much calling up every company and website under the sun haha