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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

A few days ago a comparison chart between Zen and Skylake architectures (that originated at IEEE International Solid-State Circuits Conference) was posted online and quickly became popular. Today, thanks to Japanese website called PCWatch, we finally have more slides and more details to share about Ryzen, straight from ISSCC conference.

At ISSCC AMD revealed that Zen is manufactured by GlobalFoundaries in 14nm FinFET processor. AMD claims that Zen will be able to compete with Skylake generation of Intel CPUs in terms of single-threaded performance and power efficiency.

One of the interesting components of Zen is digital LDO (Low drop-out) voltage regulator, which controls the voltage per core. AMD revealed that each core has 7 mm2 area, while a block of 4 cores has 44 mm2.

PCWatch (machine translation):

AMD compared Zen with Intel’s 14 nm generation CPU. Zen is also a 14 nm process, but the process feature size is very different from Intel 14 nm. Intel is as small as 89% for CPP (Contacted Poly Pitch) with gate spacing and 81% for 1 x Metal Pitch showing wire spacing. In other words, the Intel process is more dense. Even for SRAM cell size, Intel is as small as 72%. Nonetheless, the cluster size of 4 CPU cores and 8 MB L3 cache is as small as 44 square mm for Intel’s 49 square mm. There are reasons such as small floating point arithmetic unit, but it is also suggested that AMD has lower design complexity.

At ISSCC AMD has also released first die shot of quad-core Zen CPU, so have a look at those slides: Source VideocardZ

too many slides just check the link.
 
Hotwired;30485993 said:
What does it say then if AMD claims same performance as another chip which is more complicated.

Results matter!
I suppose it's not terribly surprising that AMD are making the claim that it's competitive with Skylake in terms of performance and power efficiency despite being a simpler design; it was built from the ground-up after all, whereas Intel's "architecture" steps (like Skylake) are still mostly just iterations stretching back to P6, which inevitably adds complexity. When their entire business model is to add incremental yearly improvements rather than a huge improvement in one go, that's going to produce more complex designs.
 
DragonQ;30486063 said:
I suppose it's not terribly surprising that AMD are making the claim that it's competitive with Skylake in terms of performance and power efficiency despite being a simpler design; it was built from the ground-up after all, whereas Intel's "architecture" steps (like Skylake) are still mostly just iterations stretching back to P6, which inevitably adds complexity. When their entire business model is to add incremental yearly improvements rather than a huge improvement in one go, that's going to produce more complex designs.

I still think Haswell/Broadwell level performance per core once we look at clockspeeds and IPC together,but with more cores or HT for a similar price.

Plus,I wonder whether the Core i3 7350K is going to stay at £175?? :D
 
Sargatanas2511;30486297 said:
It looks like the TDP is higher on the 1700X too 65w vs 95w. That seems like a big jump just for 100Mhz so I wonder if they simply clock better.
Yeah, with that TDP difference it's likely they clock a lot better, in which case the 6 core "X" chip may be better than the R7 1700 for gaming if it clocks higher.
 
Right i just need to see Motherboard prices now, got £1600 set aside to upgrade my PC, was £2k but i bought a 1070 while waiting on Vega.

Should be good for the top 8/16 Ryzen, Mobo, Ram and AIO, with whats left i might be able to flog my 1070 and buy dual Vega lol :)
 
Hotwired;30486280 said:
Wonder if there will be a compelling reason to buy the 1800X with 30W higher TDP and 300MHz higher speed for over 50% more than the 1700.

the X Variant is supposed to be the binned chips, mainly targeting overclockers
 
intel may not drop anything if they still quicker.we still guessing.we seen a price with no vat on no gouging yet and no stock.

still no real performance benchmarks.my god i hope they drop soon :D
 
~>Dg<~;30486402 said:
...still no real performance benchmarks.my god i hope they drop soon :D



a number of tech youtubers have mentioned doing something tomorrow (Jayz2cents, gamers nexus, Paul's hardware and Bitwit). Might be Ryzen related, but if I were to guess based on a couple things in the backgrounds, I think its EVGA something, possibly motherboards.
 
~>Dg<~;30486402 said:
intel may not drop anything if they still quicker.we still guessing.we seen a price with no vat on no gouging yet and no stock.

still no real performance benchmarks.my god i hope they drop soon :D

There are at least three prices online from etailers showing inc. VAT prices as of this morning, but obviously no stock since it's not out until the 28th onwards.
 
StarShock;30486430 said:
a number of tech youtubers have mentioned doing something tomorrow (Jayz2cents, gamers nexus, Paul's hardware and Bitwit). Might be Ryzen related, but if I were to guess based on a couple things in the backgrounds, I think its EVGA something, possibly motherboards.

The tweaktown dude as well dropped hints
 
At this point benchmarks can't come soon enough. Anyone concerned the price indicates performance may not be there haha ;)?! We have been brainwashed by Intel in to thinking high price = top performance :D. Please save us AMD!
 
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