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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Intel have a proven track record of screwing customers with socket changes though... AMD, not so much?

I would also sincerely hope AMD would be trying as hard as possible to not **** us off at this point!
 
Orangey said:
Early AM4 boards will be filled with APUs (Careezo and whatnot, not Zen).

But yes I imagine high-volume server customers will be trialing Zen around that time.
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^^ This, can see some confusing this with Zen.

The early 2016 APU's will be based on Excavator cores and 28nm, both APU and CPU compatible with AM4.

I guess someone could pick up an APU alongside their AM4 and just throw in a Zen CPU or APU down the line, I expect these Excavator APU's won't be that competitive though, although might be fun to play with whilst waiting for the real deal Zen chips.
 
For Zen and Bristol Ridge.. Hopefully this means Zen isn't to far off.

AMD have revealed their new Wraith CPU Stock Cooler

AMD have revealed their new Wraith CPU Stock Cooler, a CPU heatsink which is both cooler and quieter than AMD's current stock CPU cooler designs.

This cooler is bigger than their previous design and features a larger fan, which runs at a much lower speed and provides a higher static pressure in order to keep this heatsink much cooler than it's older generation counterpart.

This heatsink is expected to be bundles with high end CPUs and APUs from AMD's Bristol Ridge and Zen ranges of CPUs, giving AMD users a much better stock cooler experience before they more to larger aftermarket coolers for overclocking.
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http://www.overclock3d.net/articles..._revealed_their_new_wraith_cpu_stock_cooler/1

 
Jumper118 said:
Tbh with such a big stock cooler they could get away with even higher tdp chips :P
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As a bencher jumper, i take it you will be looking forward to amd's next chip. We have been spoiled lately by intel, but i gotta admit their recent chips from c2d/q onwards hhavent really offered big gains in performance for regular users. Im guilty of buying everything since X58, not a competitive bencher, but boughht new chips just to try them out. Pretty expensive way of relieving boredom lol.:D
 
setter said:
As a bencher jumper, i take it you will be looking forward to amd's next chip. We have been spoiled lately by intel, but i gotta admit their recent chips from c2d/q onwards hhavent really offered big gains in performance for regular users. Im guilty of buying everything since X58, not a competitive bencher, but boughht new chips just to try them out. Pretty expensive way of relieving boredom lol.:D
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Indeed I am. I have sold my cvfz and fx8320 already. I have to admit I don't have much hope for decent performance compared to Intel, but at least a new platform will be nice to mess around with and tweak. Tbh with skylake bclk being unlocked that has made me very happy as I was about to die of bordem with the multipler bumping on Intel cpus for the last 4 generations :P.
 
Single socket for the whole range of APU / CPU makes sense. Much better way of doing it, as buyers can jump onto at different levels and upgrade to higher end CPU only or vice versa.

Don't want to be overly positive but AMD looks like it has a great hand to play this year, with Zen, Polaris and the console wins. Things are looking up.

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Boomstick777 said:
Single socket for the whole range of APU / CPU makes sense. Much better way of doing it, as buyers can jump onto at different levels and upgrade to higher end CPU only or vice versa.

Don't want to be overly positive but AMD looks like it has a great hand to play this year, with Zen, Polaris and the console wins. Things are looking up.

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Double edged sword IMO. All boards released have to have the guts for the very highest end chip to be released else we will see noobies blowing stuff up like with 125/140W AM3/+ chips on bargain basement MATX boards...

I imagine with the die shrink that the max Zen will require will be way, way lower than that, but still
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Ugh, now is not the time to be releasing videos like that.

Sing when you're winning, not on your last leg with one hail mary play left that won't even be made for a year still.
 
and some people don't think Zen has taped out, an x86 CPU needs 18+ months from tape out to availability. Zen CPU taped out a good long while ago, mid last year at the latest, quite possibly early Q1. Zen APU may have taped out a little later but that will have taped out also by now.


x86 takes more validation and thus way way more time from tape out to release, than pretty much all other chips. Anything that slots into an existing platform needs to only conform to that one standard. Anything that doesn't slot into an existing platform, like a new phone, only has to make that one device work with that chip. An actual basis for a platform, new cpu, new chipset, has to make sure it works perfectly to EVERY standard. It has to work perfectly with pci, pci-e, sata, ddr3/4, gpus, outputs. Every audio chip maker needs time to make a new audio chip that works with the new chipset(not necessarily difficult or a lot of work, usually a new revisions of a existing chip), every nic that might be on a mobo needs to be validated to work on the new mobos. Platforms take an age in industry terms, in general this validation only takes more time and gets more complex the longer the industry has been around. It's one reason why getting rid of obsolete things like PCI is important as it means a whole lot less crap you have to make sure works.
 
To be fair just because AMD are saying it'll be available late '16 doesn't mean that it actually will be, who really knows when it taped out if it all yet? it's all just speculation at this point.
 
mmj_uk said:
To be fair just because AMD are saying it'll be available late '16 doesn't mean that it actually will be, who really knows when it taped out if it all yet? it's all just speculation at this point.
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AMD will be singing it from the rooftops when it tapes out, trust me.
 
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