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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

If i was to build a ZEN rig ASRock would get my money for the motherboard, I have the ASRock X99M Killer for my current main PC and its very good, better than the last MSI / asus boards iv had.
 
Apache14;30499455 said:
If i was to build a ZEN rig ASRock would get my money for the motherboard, I have the ASRock X99M Killer for my current main PC and its very good, better than the last MSI / asus boards iv had.
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Same, upsized from an itx case to a compact M-atx case recently in case I ever wanted to go to AM4 as I know how hard it is to get Itx boards near launch and that M-atx offers excellent OCing at a much lower price point than itx (and sometimes just better).
If Ryzen is good enough I will get the best Asrock M-atx board they have (within reason). My current board is Asrock and I like the bios and am used to it and the CS is (as of my experiences so far) flawless.
 
djbully;30499698 said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that AM4 will only take up 32GB max, no 64GB, is that correct?
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As in no 16gb sticks or can you use a pair 16 gb sticks on there own.

I just googled it and came up with this which states up to 64 gb's so your okay. :)
Then there's the platform. Ryzen will use a new AM4 socket, with one of several chipsets, A320, B350, and X370. Regardless of chipset, the platform will remain as a dual-channel DDR4 setup, and the CPU socket has 1331 pins. Sticking with dual-channel makes sense as well, as it keeps motherboard costs in check, and it allows for up to 64GB max memory.
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Source:
www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-details-and-expectations/
 
ubersonic;30498997 said:
Zomg, that MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium looks like a contender for my new system. Three x16 slots and U.2 ports. Best board yet :)
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Does U.2 give me anything over M.2 for a gaming / programming / photo editing machine?

You seem keen on it just wondering why?
 
Pants;30499999 said:
Does U.2 give me anything over M.2 for a gaming / programming / photo editing machine?

You seem keen on it just wondering why?
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The only benefit of U.2 is that the drives are in the 2.5" form factor, and have chunky metal cases/heatsinks, so don't thermally throttle. Although some would argue that being 2.5" is a drawback, which it will be in smaller systems :)
 
Journey;30500052 said:
The only benefit of U.2 is that the drives are in the 2.5" form factor, and have chunky metal cases/heatsinks, so don't thermally throttle. Although some would argue that being 2.5" is a drawback, which it will be in smaller systems :)
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Thing is you can pick up a 1TB M2 card for like ~£350, a 400GB U2 drive costs ~£400.
 
First part of my Ryzen build arrived today.

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Lets hope Ryzen turns out to be good now :D
 
DragonQ;30499020 said:
I only had a quick look recently but it seemed as if most games didn't benefit from anything faster than 3000 MHz (using a GTX 1080 I believe). There's always a cut-off point, beyond which the cost just jumps for negligible benefit. Haven't checked other sites but at OcUK, 3200 MHz RAM is 17% more expensive than 3000 MHz.
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Shop around. You can get identical 3200 sets for a cheaper price than OCUK does the 3000 version, from reputable shops.
Sometimes shop loyalty doesn't make sense, a 25% price mark up on RAM is one of those times.
 
Journey;30500052 said:
The only benefit of U.2 is that the drives are in the 2.5" form factor, and have chunky metal cases/heatsinks, so don't thermally throttle. Although some would argue that being 2.5" is a drawback, which it will be in smaller systems :)
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Yeah as I understand it, U.2 is superior for desktops because of the superior cooling. M.2 is smaller but some have throttling issues because it's harder to cooler them. You could get a heatsinked M.2 PCIe adapter but that defeats the purpose of having an M.2 slot in the first place. I have never even bothered looking but I bet U.2 drives are more expensive though. There are other ways to cool M.2 drives such as putting on cheap heatsinks (voids warranty since you have to remove the sticker, plus only works for single-sided chips), or getting a motherboard with a heat-spreader thingy on the M.2 slot (I think MSI do this, not sure about others).

Nutella33;30500252 said:
Shop around. You can get identical 3200 sets for a cheaper price than OCUK does the 3000 version, from reputable shops.
Sometimes shop loyalty doesn't make sense, a 25% price mark up on RAM is one of those times.
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Yeah to be honest I only stick around here for the daily/weekly deals. The standard prices are unfortunately higher than elsewhere, although I understand customer service is a major selling point, particularly for more expensive items. I just OcUK's prices as an example but as you say if 3200 MHz is about the same as 3000 MHz then it's a no-brainer.
 
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