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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

But lets put it into perspective. The bundle on Amazon includes Corsair H100i v2 cooler.
So how many times you saw Intel coming with even a cheap HSF lately, let alone an AIO? hahahha
It's just an Amazon bundle tho... There's an option for a motherboard bundle as well on the page.
 
straight from Ryzen tech day, official cinebench, thx to Videocardz
and also Ryzen 1800X up on amazon 499$
guess we are not in rumor territory anymore
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the slide should be -28% not -39%, the awkward math mistake during the presentation xD
 
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straight from Ryzen tech day, official cinebench, thx to Videocardz
and also Ryzen 1800X up on amazon 499$
guess we are not in rumor territory anymore
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If you look at these reviews of the Core i7 4790K and Haswell-E,it would place Ryzen at above Haswell level IPC in CB R15 single core benchmarks:

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cinebench1.png
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If you look at the 3.7GHZ BW Core i7 5775C,its not far off it in IPC either:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9320/74923.png

So its in-between Haswell and BW-E level IPC,which seems to agree with the CPC leak.
 
a japanese site claims that while Ryzen 7 will see no shortage, the AM4 cooling solutions and motherboards for Ryzen may be in short supply.
which i think it will be the case everywhere, i need to jump on the mobo i want before it runs out, and my guess it will be the same for cooling and good Ram
 
BTW,it seems the CPC leak was not far off what we got - their sample had buggy SMT,but in non-gaming applications Ryzen had between Haswell and BW-E level IPC with buggy SMT,but if SMT is now working properly,it probably will be BW-E level IPC.

In the gaming benchmarks,the CPC leak hinted at BW-E level IPC and games tend to make much worse use of SMT. If this holds true,Ryzen might actually be stronger in games than non-gaming tasks.

Edit!!

Anyway,the Core i7 6900K looks overpriced now,and if the AMD SMT implementation scales better the Core i7 6950K will also be under threat too,in non-gaming applications.
 
AMD posted a new academic paper for their new Mega APU design :p
the thing that caught my eye is the HBM put directly over the GPU cores instead of being long side it, also this could be a 32 CPU cores + 8 GPU modules.
something like this with 32 zen+ cores and double the space of vega/Navi gpu on board, would make a killing in HPC space.
imagine 32 zen+ core and 64 thread, vega/Navi with 4K or 8k CUs, 32 or 64 GB of HBM, and a memory controller that would allow you to tap on a huge amount of memory from drives and network.
to be clear this is not the Raven ridge, this is something further down the road and it's early designs.
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Source : Overclock3D
 
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Love that :D
 
AMD posted a new academic paper for their new Mega APU design :p
the thing that caught my eye is the HBM put directly over the GPU cores instead of being long side it, also this could be a 32 CPU cores + 8 GPU modules.
something like this with 32 zen+ cores and double the space of vega/Navi gpu on board, would make a killing in HPC space.
imagine 32 zen+ core and 64 thread, vega/Navi with 4K or 8k CUs, 32 or 64 GB of HBM, and a memory controller that would allow you to tap on a huge amount of memory from drives and network.
to be clear this is not the Raven ridge, this is something further down the road and it's early designs.
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Aaaw the cute little chiplets :D
 
its looking like a 1800x for me ;)
should destroy my 4790k even at my 4.9ghz oc ;):)

though my issue is with the motherboards...... i need one thats got everything but also has pci express 3.0 @16x/16x not 8x/8x as some games get worse performance in the 8x8x config that i have learned about = example rainbow six siege..
must have 3.0 for sli :( :( most am4 boards are only only doing 8x/8x when you add a 2nd card.. :(
though i think this is something to do with how meny pci express lanes the cpu has....
and from the diagrams i have seen of the architecture seems these rizen chips only do 16x 3.0 single card and 8x when you add a second card,

wouldnt that damage performance :/
if this is true though that would be a performance handycap right ?
 
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its looking like a 1800x for me ;)
should destroy my 4790k even at my 4.9ghz oc ;):)

though my issue is with the motherboards...... i need one thats got everything but also has pci express 3.0 @16x/16x not 8x/8x as some games get worse performance in the 8x8x config that i have learned about = example rainbow six siege..
must have 3.0 for sli :( :( most am4 boards are only only doing 8x/8x :(
though i think this is something to do with how meny pci express lanes the cpu has....
and from the diagrams i have seen of the architecture seems these rizen chips only do 16x 3.0 but now when you add a second card,

wouldnt that damage performance :/

Honestly SLI / Xfire is pretty garbage right now, Nvidia dont even support it on their 1060 and limit it higher up the stack, your better off slapping all your cash in one big badboy card rather than meshing 2 together right now.
 
To be fair the 6850k is a £600+ CPU. If AMD get close to that for half the money I'd call that a result even with a couple of extra cores. After all this is David v Goliath ;)

The physics test is threaded up to 30 cores, ergo the 1700 should easily be faster than what the score represents as it has the advantage if IPC is to be believed. Furthermore, the 6800K can be had cheaper, and similar results are achievable.

On the plus side, those AMD marketing slides look much more promising... :p
 
http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212855/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X6N8QGB


http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212937/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W5Q7B38/

Bundles on Amazon apparently, been taken down but archive.is links are above. Seems to confirm processor pricing in the US.

Those prices are slowly creeping up so by the time they get to the UK we'll probably see price parity without the coolers if we are lucky. So 500 for a 1700x and 600 with a 1800x,

Think about AMD are watching the internet and seeing everyone raving about how cheap they are, That's even though prices haven't been officially announced so when they are officially announced they'll suddenly be that much more because the internet has told AMD they can get away with charging more.
 
Those prices are slowly creeping up so by the time they get to the UK we'll probably see price parity without the coolers if we are lucky. So 500 for a 1700x and 600 with a 1800x,

Think about AMD are watching the internet and seeing everyone raving about how cheap they are, That's even though prices haven't been officially announced so when they are officially announced they'll suddenly be that much more because the internet has told AMD they can get away with charging more.

Or the internet says they will buy because they are cheap, if the price goes up the sales will go down, especially if Intel change their pricing to compete.
 
AMD posted a new academic paper for their new Mega APU design :p
the thing that caught my eye is the HBM put directly over the GPU cores instead of being long side it, also this could be a 32 CPU cores + 8 GPU modules.
something like this with 32 zen+ cores and double the space of vega/Navi gpu on board, would make a killing in HPC space.
imagine 32 zen+ core and 64 thread, vega/Navi with 4K or 8k CUs, 32 or 64 GB of HBM, and a memory controller that would allow you to tap on a huge amount of memory from drives and network.
to be clear this is not the Raven ridge, this is something further down the road and it's early designs.
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Source : Overclock3D

I bet it'll handle 1080p gaming with out any major problems too, I'd love to be able to build a Nuc with a core like this.
 
Those prices are slowly creeping up so by the time they get to the UK we'll probably see price parity without the coolers if we are lucky. So 500 for a 1700x and 600 with a 1800x,

Think about AMD are watching the internet and seeing everyone raving about how cheap they are, That's even though prices haven't been officially announced so when they are officially announced they'll suddenly be that much more because the internet has told AMD they can get away with charging more.
They still look the same. You quoted bundle prices with Corsair cooling.
 
From the 'are you going to switch' thread it looks like intel have already started dropping prices on some US retail sites

For some reason I have a feeling we're going to see pre-orders today
 
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