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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

id like to see some more info on AM4 :(
havent seen much at all
something about it having more pins for extra power thats all ive seen
oh and erm ddr4
 
i guess it could all be a bit same-o and nothing to shout about yeh but there was talk last year that we might see AM4 as soon as march this year,
that obviously didnt happen and was bad guessing but i expected some more info by now atleast
 
Mauller said:
http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/...ks-the-next-amd-uarch-is-a-major-step-forward

Interesting times, their source stating that zen should match broadwell-E. Now AMD just has to bring out all parts with SMT enabled and it will force Intel to rethink their entire processor lineup. Since if they gave the i5's SMT, how would they distinguish them from the i7's?

And the AM4 mounting hole changes make sense, they will more than likely make a slightly larger substrate so they can accomodate APU's with HBM.
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http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-english-news/6815-speculations-about-zen-after-our-april-s-fool

Bitsandchips later admitted these benchmarks were fakes, the last paragraph is interesting, Intel seemed know what Zen performance will be like with their own internal Zen simulator and decided to introduce 10 core Broadwell-E and Kaby Lake to counterattack Zen to keep Intel as CPU performance crown.
 
humbug said:
Cool, this will be why the Chinese are interested in Zen.
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Not sure why you single out the Chinese for that. This is something that end users of programs can use to secure against snooping malware. Given that the two biggest sources of such as China and the US government, I don't think either will be especially enthused about it.

Writers of security-aware software however (such as me) and those who use it (e.g. everyone else) should think this is a cool thing.

I wonder what the performance hit is? Hopefully as this is done at a very low level in the hardware, not too much.
 
I really hope Zen makes AMD competitive again, there was so much hype for Bulldozer and that was a massive flop, don't want to see history repeating itself.

Am really bored of Intel, their price gouging and lack of progress in the market. I'm still running an i5 2500k as simply not enough performance increase for the money to be worth upgrading.
 
I'm hoping that AMD can put out some competitive CPU's under £200. Wishful thinking but I'm after 8 cores next upgrade which will last as long as my 2500k. Spare cash can go into GPU's/VR then ;)
 
Troezar said:
I'm hoping that AMD can put out some competitive CPU's under £200. Wishful thinking but I'm after 8 cores next upgrade which will last as long as my 2500k. Spare cash can go into GPU's/VR then ;)
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It's almost a certainty they'll compete with the i5 6600k, and rest of the i5 range. It just remains to be seen if they can compete with the i7s and enthusiast i7s (broadwell-e).
 
Th0nt said:
For the average person who doesnt game high end or benchmark then the FX is actually a sensible price point with good performance.

If the low level API's flex the potential that they promise then needing a high end CPU is really only for the enthusiast. :)
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It flies in the face of the argument that Intel pricing and lack of performance upgrades is as a result of having no competition

Granted 3 Intel chips are outselling anything AMD have but the very Intel CPU that everyone thinks is the best all round CPU is outsold by an AMD chip.

It also proves me wrong in my arguments, there is still significant confidence in the AMD brand.
 
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