Caporegime
It really doesn't.
It's one product that's selling good (which isn't surprising, it's probably the price/performance king). It's not real competition as far as total end performance goes.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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It really doesn't.
It's one product that's selling good (which isn't surprising, it's probably the price/performance king). It's not real competition as far as total end performance goes.
Caporegime
You start with the line "no its not" and then agree with me. lol. I'm not comparing the FX-6300 as a performance comparison to the 4690K, i'm simply comparing them as (volumes sold) given that the 4690K is apprently a product that sells in very high numbers, certainly one would have thought in higher numbers than the FX-6300, and yet, not so. Don't tell me that before knowing this if asked the question "Which sells more? the 4690K or FX-6300?" that you would have picked the FX-6300.
Even qualified as "Price for performance" AMD are still outselling Intel, too a greater extent, actually given Sub £100 Intel CPU haven't even made it to the list.
Not withstanding the fact that the performance of these very different CPU's is completable subjective.
I'm not familiar with the term "total end performance" what do you mean by that?
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Caporegime
It's not astonishing that an FX6300 sells better than 4690K.
Also, 4670K sales would have been somewhat diluted by people going for the Skylake CPU's too.
But still, Intel's ~£100 offerings are meh.
Also, 4670K sales would have been somewhat diluted by people going for the Skylake CPU's too.
But still, Intel's ~£100 offerings are meh.
Caporegime
I am quite surprised since,the age of the FX6300 meant that Haswell Core i3 chips have caught up in many regards and the Skylake Core i3 chips were hardly available late last year.
But even then where is AM4??
It's a bit worrying AM4 is MIA. It also means the Zen APU is also delayed by extension,unless Bristol Ridge has a very short lifespan.
Even with Polaris,it has been delayed enough for Nvidia to have an answer now.
What has happened to the old ATI and AMD??
They keep delaying products - gives Intel and Nvidia even more breathing space.
But even then where is AM4??
It's a bit worrying AM4 is MIA. It also means the Zen APU is also delayed by extension,unless Bristol Ridge has a very short lifespan.
Even with Polaris,it has been delayed enough for Nvidia to have an answer now.
What has happened to the old ATI and AMD??
They keep delaying products - gives Intel and Nvidia even more breathing space.
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Soldato
True it does Cat.
The proof will be in the pudding (no I do not hold my breath) but AMD need to up their game and get something unique with ZEN or they may never get back into the mix.
My FX and 290x from a couple of years ago are not propping them up that's for sure!
The proof will be in the pudding (no I do not hold my breath) but AMD need to up their game and get something unique with ZEN or they may never get back into the mix.
My FX and 290x from a couple of years ago are not propping them up that's for sure!
Caporegime
Lisa is too busy messing up the graphics card section, she will get around to AM4 soon.
I always think AMD is on the verge of dying but looking at the share price it has gone up from 2.09 to 3.60 (72% increase) in the last 3 months. If you look at the last year it has gone from 2.31 to 3.60 (56% increase) so by those measures AMD is on the up (at least in the short-term).
Nowhere near the numbers of Intel but considering the graphics cards have been rebadges for years and the significantly lower performance of the CPUs I find it surprising their share price has increased so much.
We need AMD to get back in the game as much better for the consumer when there is real competition.
Nowhere near the numbers of Intel but considering the graphics cards have been rebadges for years and the significantly lower performance of the CPUs I find it surprising their share price has increased so much.
We need AMD to get back in the game as much better for the consumer when there is real competition.
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Soldato
True it does Cat.
The proof will be in the pudding (no I do not hold my breath) but AMD need to up their game and get something unique with ZEN or they may never get back into the mix.
My FX and 290x from a couple of years ago are not propping them up that's for sure!
AMD doesn’t need to be unique it’s not like they are selling detergent against 10 other companies and need to compete for shelve space. They tried being unique with Bulldozer and Piledriver and it back fired massively and has resulted in them almost being wiped out the CPU market entirely.
What AMD needs from Zen is for it to be within touching distance of Haswell/Skylake in terms of performance at a lower price point with a chipset that offers all the latest technologies. I for one am not happy about the facing the prospect have shelling out nearly £300 for a Core i7 6700, Intel have had my business for way to long and so long as Zen is competitive and we don’t have another repeat Bulldozer I’ll be jumping platforms.
AMD is back in the game, this is the reason their stock has gone up. They have diversified their portfolio, they are not the same old PC only company. AMD said they were diversify and get revenue from other than traditional PC market and they have done. Multiple console contracts, new ones in the pipeline, just won a big server contract (Share price jump likely because of this in particular)
Zen is incoming, as are new GPU's, but what is more impressive is that AMD have done what they set out to do and expanded their business. Long-term the future looks much brighter than if they were just to be making traditional PC CPU and GPU.
Soldato
If Zen is close in performance, it'll be close in price. They have said as much as AMD aren't the budget manufacturer any more. Of course that should mean price competitiveness, which in turn should lower prices for everyone, in theory...
Caporegime
Its already gone up from $2 to $3.50 from beating expectations and with a bunch of significant contract signed, if in Q3 and Q4 their revenues pick up with the new GPU's onsale their stocks could hit $5.
Caporegime
The fan base isn't with the AMD brand, AMD will sell a hell of a lot more Zen chips but only if significantly cheaper than Intel equivalents.
If they try a pricing structure like Intel's they will sell even less Zen CPU's than they did Vishera.
6700K for £300 or AMD 4790K for £250, which would you buy?
The fact is a 4 core 8 thread AMD equivalent with Haswell IPC would only sell in significant numbers if around the £200 mark.
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Agreed with this.
I'm hoping they'll be smart and offer more for the same price.
i.e.
6600k £200 vs Zen 4 core (w/ hyperthreading) £200
6700k £300 vs Zen 6 core £300
6800k £340? vs Zen 8 core £340
That kind of thing. Possibly do that as well as knock 10% off Intel's price.
Even if Zen is only Ivy-bridge performance, then doing this they'll be barely behind in single-thread and strongly ahead in multi-thread at all price points (other than top-end of course, assuming they're stopping at 8 core)
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Zen is still a 2017 product though, Boom. I look forward to seeing it's performance also, though we have to bear in mind it will be competing against Kabylake and Broadwell-E, not the current Intel Skylake/Haswell-E, so it has a rather steep mountain to climb.
Soldato
That's pretty much what I said... It will be price/performance competitive but not massively cheaper, unless AMD have cocked up the recipe. i7 like performance will come with an i7 like price
Zen was 2016 last time I checked. Have AMD delayed Zen?
If Zen is +40% on the current architecture as talked about then that puts AMD right in the mix. Broadwell/e are are no faster than what's already out. If AMD match Sandy or Ivybridge they match Skylake and Kabylake too.
Intel haven't made that little progress. Skylake is a nice chunk faster than Sandybridge. And presumably Kabylake will add another 4-6% IPC.
AMD need to between Ivy and Haswell if they're going to bounce back strongly.
Sandybridge performance won't be enough for a 2016/2017 product.
If AMD offer an unlocked 8 core chip with Sandbridge performance I'd be all over it quick smart.