*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[8 Pack]

i think in many games a 7700k is obviously going to be in front.clock speed in most games does matter but...ask anyone with a modern 6 core plus machine who uses it daily would they take a 7700k over it most wouldnt.multitasking is more common people are streaming and recording gaming more often now it just makes sense.

its pretty obvious that is going to be gaming intel probably still infront by quite a bit on the whole multitasking up with x99 lower tier platform.intel x299 will adjust that balance when its out.

it is kinda funny that for last two years many have mainly wanted more clock speed or denied wanting more cores but now the pricing is decent then the more cores is attractive.especially on older i5s and older i7s.when you could have had this performance as said a few years ago for not too much more.

I know this lot on here don't know what they want... Well they do everything.. High cores, Ht or similar, great ipc, great single core,strong Imc, many pcx lanes, high oc, cool running, great nvme and storage support native and cheap as chips!! With haribo in every delivery... Leave the last one to us...

 

[wedrum]

buying without seeing its true performance.
brave.

 

[old gamer]

Name me any reviewer who has a clue?? Come on who cares about reviews I make my own decisions. I don't care one in


I know this lot on here don't know what they want... Well they do everything.. High cores, Ht or similar, great ipc, great single core,strong Imc, many pcx lanes, high oc, cool running, great nvme and storage support native and cheap as chips!! With haribo in every delivery... Leave the last one to us...

you forgot free delivery

 

[Rannoch]

I am waiting until I have read several reliable reviews to see what Ryzen can do.

^^ This

Benchmarks do the talking, hype opens wallets.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

you forgot free delivery

No such thing! I wish I got free shipping from time to time.

 

[kola]

Sorry if I'm changing the subject how much difficultly is it for game developers to take advantage of more cores .

 

[Apache14]

Sorry if I'm changing the subject how much difficultly is it for game developers to take advantage of more cores .

Its a hard one to answer as it's down to both the game engine and the rendering api used. For example DX10/11 where much more CPU dependant than DX12 or Vulkan. Probably the better way to put it is that now there are better tools for developers to use to they can make the most out of CPU cores available.

But the general computer science view is that making use of more cores within one application is difficult if you want to do it well (I.e not just running more of the same tasks on all cores).

 

[ubersonic]

Planning on going with this:

AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700X 3.80GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 AMD X370 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
Team Group Elite 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black

Should be pretty tasty

 

[africanos23]

 

[DragonQ]

Sorry if I'm changing the subject how much difficultly is it for game developers to take advantage of more cores .

Difficult, which is why it's taken so long for it to happen. Also remember that fundamental game engine redesign doesn't happen that often, unless it's a huge company making their own in-house stuff (e.g. Blizzard).

Thinking about it, I basically can't lose if upgrading to an R7 1700. Even if it only clocks to 4 GHz, I don't lose any clock speed. I gain two real cores, maybe 40% IPC improvement, and it'll use a lot less power. Add to that the possibility of being able to disable 2 cores and clock a bit higher, being able to use my SSD in a SATA 6 Gb/s port, being able to use my GPU in a PCIe 3.0 slot, etc. and it's quite tempting. I'd also need new RAM and a new case though, so it's not as cheap as just grabbing a B350 board and an R7 1700.

 

[Noxia]

Can one of you knowlegable people explain how these are good value? Obviously £319 for the lowest one which at a price point compared to the I7 7700k Quad Core 8 Thread. I was under the impression that gaming wise not many games took full advantage of multicore, so what exactly is one getting extra from the AMD offering (aside from the double cores / threads) in terms of gaming solely?

 

[MG42Maniac]

Does anyone know when we can expect reviews?

 

[wedrum]

28th i believe

 

[brigantium]

Does anyone know when we can expect reviews?

Technically 28th, but Anandtech stated that they were not allowed to publish their results until 2nd.

 

[8 Pack]

Games are in the main not using the multi core at all. Single core IPC is king in games.

 

[DragonQ]

Can one of you knowlegable people explain how these are good value? Obviously £319 for the lowest one which at a price point compared to the I7 7700k Quad Core 8 Thread. I was under the impression that gaming wise not many games took full advantage of multicore, so what exactly is one getting extra from the AMD offering (aside from the double cores / threads) in terms of gaming solely?

Intel's cheapest 8-core CPU is over £1000 and not everything is just about gaming. If you don't want/need the extra cores then you'll probably be looking at the 4 and 6 core models (unknown release date). AMD's 6 core will be cheaper than the i7-6800K and the 4 core will be much cheaper than the the i7-7700K. Basically for the same core count as Intel you're looking at half the price.

Lots of other bonuses like cheaper overclocking motherboards, all CPUs being unlocked, lower TDP and power consumption...

 

[Bonjour]

Games are in the main not using the multi core at all. Single core IPC is king in games.

To a point. I still think you really want a minimum of 4 threads for modern games, though.

 

[labbby]

Games are in the main not using the multi core at all. Single core IPC is king in games.

Please tell me these games you play that only use single core ?

im really confused with the games i play these days, i am guessing openhardwaremonitor is lying to me every time i am gaming.

 

[Noxia]

Intel's cheapest 8-core CPU is over £1000 and not everything is just about gaming. If you don't want/need the extra cores then you'll probably be looking at the 4 and 6 core models (unknown release date). AMD's 6 core will be cheaper than the i7-6800K and the 4 core will be much cheaper than the the i7-7700K. Basically for the same core count as Intel you're looking at half the price.

Lots of other bonuses like cheaper overclocking motherboards, all CPUs being unlocked, lower TDP and power consumption...

Ah ok so last CPU I had was a 4790K and they haven't released their 4/6 core ones yet which we expect to be a lot cheaper. I suppose when I decide to build I'll have to study the benchmarks and see which fare better for single core apps. I'm hamstrung at the moment by no AM4 ITX boards and I want a decent selection of coolers available too before I jump.

 

[Uriel]

Games are in the main not using the multi core at all. Single core IPC is king in games.

The CPU benchmarks at GameGPU (they normally include a CPU section for each game) benchmarks are starting to show otherwise most of the time. A fast 4 thread+ CPU is often 'enough' to make all recent games playable but looking at the top of the charts there's been a shift in favour of more cores / threads.

i7s consistently outperform i5s. AMD octacore FXs are often finding themselves competitive with and sometimes beating i5s that they couldn't have got near a few years ago. There is a transition going on towards more efficiently threaded games and it looks to me like Ryzen has turned up at just the right time to take advantage.